2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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I don't really see anything to worry about. The team is on the right track. Mercedes and Ferrari started their 2026 projects much earlier than Red Bull. They have a new PU (that already impressed) which will take another big step next year. They'll also bring the new wind tunnel online (same constructor that did the Mclaren windtunnel). It's important not to dwell on short term pains. Mekies was absolutely spot on when he said Red Bull are in good shape for the long run. They are still a top team with a car that is 20kg overweight, a brand new PU, and one of the worst windtunnels in F1. It is only up from here.
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Red Bull simulator driver Sebastien Buemi on where Red Bull is atm:

"We came away from Melbourne — obviously Max had that issue in qualifying — but in my opinion, it was a very strong showing. [The car] was third [in the pecking order]," Now we come back from Shanghai, which was very bad. So, I would give it a bit of time. You cannot expect Red Bull to directly be performing like people that have been making engines for decades.
So you need to give it a little bit more time before we actually come to a conclusion on how far we are behind, or things like this. I find it still too early.
I think, yes and no, but again, just having one bad result — does that mean we are actually really off, or does that mean things just didn't go well and we took some wrong decisions?So I think we need a few more races to be able to say, actually, we are clearly behind, or no, actually, we are closer than we think. You know, because Melbourne and Bahrain testing were quite good, in my opinion. So let's give it a bit more time before we come to a conclusion. If we come to the conclusion after Japan that we are really on the back foot, I think it's a good opportunity to regroup and have a bit of time to analyse and come up with some better solutions. If we assume that we are very good in Japan, maybe not, because when you're good, you want to just get those races in as quickly as you can.
But I guess, for a team like Red Bull making its own engine for the first time, a good gap is not a bad thing."
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Cassius wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 15:19
Paa wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 14:17
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Stop the doomsaying please.
I really don't think this is doomsaying. I’m just looking at what’s in front of me and drawing conclusions from it (right or wrong). I’m not trying to predict the future.

Red Bull can very well win the WDC this year. It wouldn’t be the most likely outcome, but it’s also not impossible. They almost did it last season after a a terrible summer. Things can change quickly, in either direction. I really don't know what is ahead and I'm not ruling anything out.

At the other hand they identify as a top team and they were fighting for WDC during the last 5 years (winning 4 of them). So the bare minimum goal for them to be judged against is to be able to fight for the WDC. If they’re not, for whatever reason, then at this moment they’re simply not operating at a top-team level. It is simple as that. That’s not a long-term judgment, or doomsaying, just an observation of the present.

It’s early in the season, and performance can shift fast. But even with that in mind, their first two races don’t resemble a top team. They looked like midfield.

And it’s not about the engine. If anything, that’s the least of their issues. The Fighting late for WDC in previous year also can't be an excuse. Top teams should be able to do that. (also see 2021 vs 2022)

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Paa wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 21:00
And it’s not about the engine. If anything, that’s the least of their issues. The Fighting late for WDC in previous year also can't be an excuse. Top teams should be able to do that. (also see 2021 vs 2022)
Mercedes didn’t do it after 2021, and now both Red Bull and McLaren didn’t do it after 2025. It’s a cost capped sport. Things are different now.

The team said since last year that this would happen. F1 isn’t going anywhere and they have invested their resources in a way to reflect that. It isn’t a race to make shortsighted decisions and have the best car in the 1st GP in 2026 with no way forwards. It’s a race to have a competitive team over the next 5-10 years. Zoom out and look at it objectively. Any team that manages to achieve successful PU independence and a new windtunnel is not going to a bad place. Quite the opposite. Even AMR is going to see the rewards, eventually.
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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 18:44
I don't really see anything to worry about. The team is on the right track. Mercedes and Ferrari started their 2026 projects much earlier than Red Bull. They have a new PU (that already impressed) which will take another big step next year. They'll also bring the new wind tunnel online (same constructor that did the Mclaren windtunnel). It's important not to dwell on short term pains. Mekies was absolutely spot on when he said Red Bull are in good shape for the long run. They are still a top team with a car that is 20kg overweight, a brand new PU, and one of the worst windtunnels in F1. It is only up from here.
And we have Ian Greig from Aston Martin, who knows a thing or two about Aston's tunnel.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 21:03
Paa wrote:
20 Mar 2026, 21:00
And it’s not about the engine. If anything, that’s the least of their issues. The Fighting late for WDC in previous year also can't be an excuse. Top teams should be able to do that. (also see 2021 vs 2022)
Mercedes didn’t do it after 2021, and now both Red Bull and McLaren didn’t do it after 2025. It’s a cost capped sport. Things are different now.
Yeah, of course it happens. Probably different people have different expectations and then judge what they see against those. What I've seen so far is below of my expectations and therefore trying to find reasons for that.
It doesn't mean I'm pessimistic about the future. But being optimistic doesn't mean ignoring reality. And based on multiple metrics, their recent showing has simply been poor.

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Needless to say, I have been extremely critical of the team.

I think criticizing the chassis as harshly as I did was maybe a premature after China but it generally shows weakness.

I hope they can get it to a point where the chassis lives up to this wonder engine.

I think its worth calling it a wonder engine given how performant it has been for a start up that literally started from scratch and zero institutional knowledge and other branches to draw knowledge from.
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You will see how strong this car will be with some new updates and weight near a normal level. A lot of potential, its just a matter of time dont worry. The team will be back.

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Amazing watch at the Nurburgring , no battery/clipping/harvesting BS.

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Battles that last multiple laps. Cars that have more or less similar performance. Traffic, nature, forest, wheel to wheel, risk.

F1 has none of this 😐

It was such a good stint by Hasse and Verstappen there. 30s ahead of the third car. Just need F1 to return to something like this where the driver becomes central once again.
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Well I think I would bet money on Max retiring from F1 unless there are some drastic changes to the engine formula for 27. A driver being able to access max power at will using the throttle... that's one of the basic tenets of racing.