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[SB15]

If this fix holds true and the pace shown by Hamilton in the sprint or LEC with car damage was real, this is going to be a heck of a comeback for WCC. Can’t wait

I seriously doubt there will be any comeback because you forget that other teams can bring upgrades/updates as well.

Ferrari is more than likely going to spend a ton of time working out their rear suspension which is very time consuming and expensive thing to do. There is not any “Magic fix” for any car, it’s a slow and rather very painful process.

They should be able to find a fix in the next couple races.Even if they spend time now working out the suspension, it is not time lost, as they will be carrying this suspension concept next year.

Sorry but, it doesn’t take “Next couple of races” to find a fix, it took McLaren 6 races last year to finally get on top of the performance for their car.

Took Mercedes 9 races to finally see some type performance of gains from the W15.

This is a long development progress that takes many rounds to finally get of top of and remember that Ferrari introduced an upgrade last year in Spain, took them another 6 rounds before they were competitive again at Monza.

Wouldn’t be shocked if they use Japan and Bahrain as test sessions before The Saudi Arabia GP.

[CjC]

This thread by one of this forum's very own might help with the debate that happened yesterday...



Also, a report from Formula Passion that builds off the AR one about the rear suspension:

Maranello hopes to resolve the problem by correcting setup strategies and potentially updating certain internal components, working between dynamic benches and the simulator. All indications converge towards a platform control problem, specifically stabilizing floor heights and movements. The difficulties are located at the rear.

The design of the rear section is always a compromise between mechanical and aerodynamic behavior. The more one tries to reduce bulk to free up space in the diffuser and around the gearbox, the more difficult the task becomes. The suspension rigidity also depends on the deformation of the arms and the external transmission structure to which all other elements are connected.

Floor management thus links mechanics and aerodynamics. In Maranello, they are working extensively on dynamic test benches, sophisticated mobile platforms where the car is placed, capable of reproducing circuit profiles and loads recorded on the track. However, these tests do not allow work on aerodynamics, which can be analyzed in the wind tunnel, but where the static model has no suspension. The information gathered in these two environments will then be cross-referenced with track data to refine the virtual models in the simulator, on which solutions will be evaluated.

Platform control is a global problem that requires a different compromise in terms of settings. In Maranello, they will evaluate modifications to torsion spring and damper settings, correcting setup strategies to stabilize ground clearance without too much compromising other performance aspects. If unsuccessful, the alternative would be to update internal mechanics as much as possible.

If the solutions prove conclusive, Ferrari could finally lower its ground clearance, which would allow appreciation of its aerodynamic potential and assess the feasibility of returning to the rankings. Conversely, it would be a sign of a structural problem this year, forcing resources to be diverted to the 2026 project.

Is a twitter account required to read this thread?

[catent]

This thread by one of this forum's very own might help with the debate that happened yesterday...

Is a twitter account required to read this thread?

I believe so, yes

[LurkingMostly]

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You can use xcanceled or nitter to read twitter without using an account.

[CjC]

Thanks guys

[ScuderiaLeo]

Autoracer did their stream. I only personally caught the second half so some of these notes are from FerrariF1FRA.

• Hamilton and Leclerc have been testing different setups and will continue to do so in search of the best solution as quickly as possible. This is similar to last year’s Barcelona spec approach, where Sainz and Leclerc ran drastically different setups each week, leading to varying performance.
• Autoracer's analysis suggests the issue lies in the rear axle structure, which may not be stiff enough. Under the right conditions, the SF-25 generates significantly more downforce than the SF-24, proving that the potential is there. The sprint race performance showed the car’s ideal version.
• Fixing the issue will be difficult. Upgrades are coming in Bahrain, but Autoracer believes these are performance-focused rather than aimed at solving the rear suspension problem.
• When can it be fixed? This depends on the severity. If it’s a minor issue, a new floor could be the solution. However, budget constraints are a major factor, as Ferrari must decide how to allocate resources between this season and the next.
• Matteo Bobbi, a former F1 test driver, disagrees with Autoracer, arguing that the problem may not be with the rear suspension itself. There are no visible signs of bouncing, and after months of simulator work, it would be strange for the rear suspension to struggle under load. However, he agrees that a new floor is the most likely fix.
• Serra is currently working on the SF-25. This is the first package fully under his leadership. Autoracer has heard nothing about parts for Suzuka.
• Ferrari has regressed operationally. Their setup and strategy mistakes this season have been unacceptable for a top team. If this continues, driver frustration is inevitable.
• Vasseur and Waché (Red Bull’s technical director) have been seen talking frequently in the paddock. Vasseur remains openly interested in bringing Waché to Ferrari.

* Edited for grammar

[Luscion]

Autoracer did their stream. I only personally caught the second half so some of these notes are from FerrariF1FRA.

• Hamilton and Leclerc have been testing different setups and will continue to do so in search of the best solution as quickly as possible. This is similar to last year’s Barcelona spec approach, where Sainz and Leclerc ran drastically different setups each week, leading to varying performance.
• Autoracer's analysis suggests the issue lies in the rear axle structure, which may not be stiff enough. Under the right conditions, the SF-25 generates significantly more downforce than the SF-24, proving that the potential is there. The sprint race performance showed the car’s ideal version.
• Fixing the issue will be difficult. Upgrades are coming in Bahrain, but Autoracer believes these are performance-focused rather than aimed at solving the rear suspension problem.
• When can it be fixed? This depends on the severity. If it’s a minor issue, a new floor could be the solution. However, budget constraints are a major factor, as Ferrari must decide how to allocate resources between this season and the next.
• Matteo Bobbi, a former F1 test driver, disagrees with Autoracer, arguing that the problem may not be with the rear suspension itself. There are no visible signs of bouncing, and after months of simulator work, it would be strange for the rear suspension to struggle under load. However, he agrees that a new floor is the most likely fix.
• Serra is currently working on the SF-25. This is the first package fully under his leadership, with none of Cardile’s work remaining. New parts are expected in Bahrain. Autoracer has heard nothing about Suzuka.
• Ferrari has regressed operationally. Their setup and strategy mistakes this season have been unacceptable for a top team. If this continues, driver frustration is inevitable.
• Vasseur and Waché (Red Bull’s technical director) have been seen talking frequently in the paddock. Vasseur remains openly interested in bringing Waché to Ferrari.

the best outcome would be that the issue is with the floor, a quicker fix than it being a suspension issue

[deadhead]

If it's the floor, would it need to produce less downforce in order to not trigger the excessive plank wear?

[ringo]

Interesting from Fred. Sees more value in Wache than Newey. Newey probably demabded too much.
The floor fix can be done quickly. It can be as simple as taking a grinder to the floor and bonding in a rapid prototype piece.

[SB15]

Autoracer did their stream. I only personally caught the second half so some of these notes are from FerrariF1FRA.

• Hamilton and Leclerc have been testing different setups and will continue to do so in search of the best solution as quickly as possible. This is similar to last year’s Barcelona spec approach, where Sainz and Leclerc ran drastically different setups each week, leading to varying performance.
• Autoracer's analysis suggests the issue lies in the rear axle structure, which may not be stiff enough. Under the right conditions, the SF-25 generates significantly more downforce than the SF-24, proving that the potential is there. The sprint race performance showed the car’s ideal version.
• Fixing the issue will be difficult. Upgrades are coming in Bahrain, but Autoracer believes these are performance-focused rather than aimed at solving the rear suspension problem.
• When can it be fixed? This depends on the severity. If it’s a minor issue, a new floor could be the solution. However, budget constraints are a major factor, as Ferrari must decide how to allocate resources between this season and the next.
• Matteo Bobbi, a former F1 test driver, disagrees with Autoracer, arguing that the problem may not be with the rear suspension itself. There are no visible signs of bouncing, and after months of simulator work, it would be strange for the rear suspension to struggle under load. However, he agrees that a new floor is the most likely fix.
• Serra is currently working on the SF-25. This is the first package fully under his leadership, with none of Cardile’s work remaining. New parts are expected in Bahrain. Autoracer has heard nothing about Suzuka.
• Ferrari has regressed operationally. Their setup and strategy mistakes this season have been unacceptable for a top team. If this continues, driver frustration is inevitable.
• Vasseur and Waché (Red Bull’s technical director) have been seen talking frequently in the paddock. Vasseur remains openly interested in bringing Waché to Ferrari.

the best outcome would be that the issue is with the floor, a quicker fix than it being a suspension issue

I don’t agree, it could be the issue but it’s a very very slim chance that it’s the floor, because Ferrari always had great design.

I believe most people are in agreement that it’s the rear suspension that causing the issue. I do remember, Ferrari had this issue last year when they introduced the Spain upgrade because their rear suspension just couldn’t handle the floor’s downforce leading to porpoising.

[catent]

Autoracer did their stream. I only personally caught the second half so some of these notes are from FerrariF1FRA.

• Hamilton and Leclerc have been testing different setups and will continue to do so in search of the best solution as quickly as possible. This is similar to last year’s Barcelona spec approach, where Sainz and Leclerc ran drastically different setups each week, leading to varying performance.
• Autoracer's analysis suggests the issue lies in the rear axle structure, which may not be stiff enough. Under the right conditions, the SF-25 generates significantly more downforce than the SF-24, proving that the potential is there. The sprint race performance showed the car’s ideal version.
• Fixing the issue will be difficult. Upgrades are coming in Bahrain, but Autoracer believes these are performance-focused rather than aimed at solving the rear suspension problem.
• When can it be fixed? This depends on the severity. If it’s a minor issue, a new floor could be the solution. However, budget constraints are a major factor, as Ferrari must decide how to allocate resources between this season and the next.
• Matteo Bobbi, a former F1 test driver, disagrees with Autoracer, arguing that the problem may not be with the rear suspension itself. There are no visible signs of bouncing, and after months of simulator work, it would be strange for the rear suspension to struggle under load. However, he agrees that a new floor is the most likely fix.
• Serra is currently working on the SF-25. This is the first package fully under his leadership, with none of Cardile’s work remaining. New parts are expected in Bahrain. Autoracer has heard nothing about Suzuka.
• Ferrari has regressed operationally. Their setup and strategy mistakes this season have been unacceptable for a top team. If this continues, driver frustration is inevitable.
• Vasseur and Waché (Red Bull’s technical director) have been seen talking frequently in the paddock. Vasseur remains openly interested in bringing Waché to Ferrari.

the best outcome would be that the issue is with the floor, a quicker fix than it being a suspension issue

I don’t agree, it could be the issue but it’s a very very slim chance that it’s the floor, because Ferrari always had great design.

I believe most people are in agreement that it’s the rear suspension that causing the issue. I do remember, Ferrari had this issue last year when they introduced the Spain upgrade because their rear suspension just couldn’t handle the floor’s downforce leading to porpoising.

Ferrari’s floor has undergone evolutions/upgrades during this ruleset.

The Barcelona upgrade package gremlins were remedied, in large part, with a new floor (among other things) introduced at Monza.

[dialtone]

the best outcome would be that the issue is with the floor, a quicker fix than it being a suspension issue

I don’t agree, it could be the issue but it’s a very very slim chance that it’s the floor, because Ferrari always had great design.

I believe most people are in agreement that it’s the rear suspension that causing the issue. I do remember, Ferrari had this issue last year when they introduced the Spain upgrade because their rear suspension just couldn’t handle the floor’s downforce leading to porpoising.

Ferrari’s floor has undergone evolutions/upgrades during this ruleset.

The Barcelona upgrade package gremlins were remedied, in large part, with a new floor (among other things) introduced at Monza.

I think you folks are reading this wrong.

The issue remains excessive flex of the rear of the car, and there's a few ways they could fix it: increasing the strength of the required parts or they can also just make changes to the floor as a workaround. That's how I read it.

The floor doesn't have problems, the car runs fine as the sprint showed or friday practice in AUS, the car isn't porpoising as it's been commented on multiple times here, and is easily visible onboard, it's one of the most stable cars on the grid. It's simply flexing.

[ringo]

A carbon fiber structure with just 800kg of weight on and then 3,000kg? of aero is not going to flex so much.
The movement is likely in the fixtures for the suspension attachments, springs, dampers, joints etc. The static structure is likely to be fine. It may even be something as arbitrary as the joint at the wheel hub and pull rod, and the heat of the brakes maybe causes some thermal expansion, just to name a very interesting example. But I doubt the gearbox casing or skeleton itself is moving.

[Sergej]

Yesterday Rosario Giuliana said he's quite pessimistic about Ferrari solving their problems shortly. He's generally a Ferrari PR, so if he said that, I think situation is quite bad. Anyway he confirmed upgrades could come for Bahrain, but they are not aimed at solving the problem, they were planned before.