Also, you can find articles about this in the press where Marko says the same thing.
I did indeed get this. I didn't know that's what you meant by "Honda said that they could only give 4 kW."
Would that mean that Max would need to take a new engine? Because I would have thought the engines he has have done a lot of races and it would be risky to turn it up too much?Wouter wrote: ↑25 Nov 2021, 10:15I did indeed get this. I didn't know that's what you meant by "Honda said that they could only give 4 kW."
Honda has said that a new Mercedes ICE has 15 kW more power than an old one.
The Honda ICE has almost no power loss, so the difference between an old and a new one is only 3 Kw.
However, he does not speak here about how much power they can still release with the used ICE and that is not 3 kW,
but a bit more.
Honda has been very frugal with releasing power so that they have something left for the final races.
That's how they've always worked. Saving the best for last.
.Marty_Y wrote: ↑25 Nov 2021, 16:44Would that mean that Max would need to take a new engine? Because I would have thought the engines he has have done a lot of races and it would be risky to turn it up too much?
I've got to give credit to Honda this year though, they have produced a power unit which is highly competitive and extremely reliable, which is a real achievement.
it must be without breaching fuel flow limit or staying in rule of 160 kw. fia should investigate merc's chemical and electric usage and send td like they did for Honda. A slower team can not be faster based on nothing
Thats what Tanabe san had said a few weeks ago and if not next one they will release horses at last one on the contrary of PZ's wishful thinking wishedWouter wrote: ↑25 Nov 2021, 10:15I did indeed get this. I didn't know that's what you meant by "Honda said that they could only give 4 kW."
Honda has said that a new Mercedes ICE has 15 kW more power than an old one.
The Honda ICE has almost no power loss, so the difference between an old and a new one is only 3 Kw.
However, he does not speak here about how much power they can still release with the used ICE and that is not 3 kW,
but a bit more.
Honda has been very frugal with releasing power so that they have something left for the final races.
That's how they've always worked. Saving the best for last.
You mean pu number 3 has been used in alternate with pu4 in the last 5 6 gps? Good news. Could be pu 4 has done only 4 gps maybeWouter wrote: ↑25 Nov 2021, 17:10.Marty_Y wrote: ↑25 Nov 2021, 16:44Would that mean that Max would need to take a new engine? Because I would have thought the engines he has have done a lot of races and it would be risky to turn it up too much?
I've got to give credit to Honda this year though, they have produced a power unit which is highly competitive and extremely reliable, which is a real achievement.
He doesn't need a new engine.
Max had to drive 12 races with PU 3 and 4. Spa did not go through and Monza was only half a game.
So for two PU's only 10 1/2 race. For these last two races they obviously use the PU that has driven the least number of km.
So that PU is not that old.
It doesn't really matter that much, because the PU loses very little power every race due to very little wear.
PU1: Bahrein - Azarbijan 6 races, the Friday engine for rest of the season probably.
However Mercedes (Hamilton) will only do maybe 2 (maximum 3) either the super-duper ‘Brazil’ unit turned up to 11.NL_Fer wrote: ↑26 Nov 2021, 20:05PU1: Bahrein - Azarbijan 6 races, the Friday engine for rest of the season probably.
PU2: France - Gr.Britain 4 races, rekked by Hamilton
PU3: Hungary - Italy 3.1 races, Belgium wasn’t a full race
PU4: Russia
Turkey USA Mexico Brasil Qatar is a mystery
So it it still a secret how the last 2 pu’s are used, but it is certain they don’t need to run the 8 races, they were designed to do. Probably 5 or 6 per unit.