2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[DragonSGC]

Watching the live timings, we are on avg 2.5 seconds a lap slower to the front runners on any given tyre (though worse on full tanks) and about 1 second a lap slower than the "midfield". Lets say the brake issue is costing us 1 second a lap (cant use em how they were designed and whatever the team was trying to do aero wise with them), that kind of gets us to P10ish

[Darth-Piekus]

I'm not sure the Mercedes engines and the few laps on the 2nd test can explain the car being slowest of all. You can't go from having a car able to win on occasion to having the slowest car on the grid without some mistake on the design. I don't think brakes are the only mistake.

[DragonSGC]

It is not enough for me to say patience and work and blablabla. Heads have to roll now. It is nonsense about the tests and about today.

And be replaced by whom? You're not going to pull big names with a struggle bus season, less buying power as you've had to pay out contracts of people whom they have just fired, this is exactly not the time to do a Ferrari revolving door type of situation, it never worked for them in the past it won't work for us now.

[ScottR267]

I'm not sure the Mercedes engines and the few laps on the 2nd test can explain the car being slowest of all. You can't go from having a car able to win on occasion to having the slowest car on the grid without some mistake on the design. I don't think brakes are the only mistake.

Another changing opinion of yours when it suits! Change your mind more than the wind!

[Mansell89]

It is not enough for me to say patience and work and blablabla. Heads have to roll now. It is nonsense about the tests and about today.

And be replaced by whom? You're not going to pull big names with a struggle bus season, less buying power as you've had to pay out contracts of people whom they have just fired, this is exactly not the time to do a Ferrari revolving door type of situation, it never worked for them in the past it won't work for us now.

Agreed and I’m delighted we have a level headed Andreas Seidl at the helm for this tricky start and not a hot head. Cool heads will be the key in these opening weeks.

Good test for James Key too- let’s see if we can piece the puzzle together

[blastdoman]

It is not enough for me to say patience and work and blablabla. Heads have to roll now. It is nonsense about the tests and about today.

And be replaced by whom? You're not going to pull big names with a struggle bus season, less buying power as you've had to pay out contracts of people whom they have just fired, this is exactly not the time to do a Ferrari revolving door type of situation, it never worked for them in the past it won't work for us now.

So let's continue the same, let's not do anything and continue to be embarrassed, since we haven't given it enough in the recent past... Now we can't blame Honda or a scapegoat. Some now seem to turn their eyes to the Mercedes engine, when this year's is one more of the shits of this team in the last decade,

[McL-H]

It is not enough for me to say patience and work and blablabla. Heads have to roll now. It is nonsense about the tests and about today.

And be replaced by whom? You're not going to pull big names with a struggle bus season, less buying power as you've had to pay out contracts of people whom they have just fired, this is exactly not the time to do a Ferrari revolving door type of situation, it never worked for them in the past it won't work for us now.

So let's continue the same, let's not do anything and continue to be embarrassed, since we haven't given it enough in the recent past... Now we can't blame Honda or a scapegoat. Some now seem to turn their eyes to the Mercedes engine, when this year's is one more of the shits of this team in the last decade,

So what do you suggest? Fire half the team? And then what? Who is supposed to help us solve our issues? I believe after the last couple of years, the people at the team deserve more credit than that.

[ScottR267]

Rather than firing, surely we should be looking at adding to the team albeit appreciate it is not as easy now with the budget cap.

This is the one area I feel McLaren has come short of the other big teams in hiring other successful engineers from other teams, James Key the exception of course.

[_cerber1]

Our expectations from Jeddah? Another route, another type of turns.

[Emag]

Our expectations from Jeddah? Another route, another type of turns.

My expectation is we will be dead last. This way 9th fastest is an achievement.

[SmallSoldier]

Watching the live timings, we are on avg 2.5 seconds a lap slower to the front runners on any given tyre (though worse on full tanks) and about 1 second a lap slower than the "midfield". Lets say the brake issue is costing us 1 second a lap (cant use em how they were designed and whatever the team was trying to do aero wise with them), that kind of gets us to P10ish

I’m afraid is a bit too early to make this type of analysis… It’s one track, that evidently didn’t suit the car beyond the issues on setup, brakes, etc…

It’s undeniable that this was one of the worst weekends the team has endured in a long time, clearly lacking pace not only compared to the front, but also to the midfield.

But is very hard to quantify how much the problems with the brakes have cost them, one of the things that haven’t been talked much this season is having the tires on the right window, we saw how much Ferrari struggled last season (in France for example) because of been outside the window and how much pace they found once they resolved those (without upgrades, it was more finding the right setup)… the missed track time will have had an impact on the understanding of the car and therefore it’s setup, in addition, if the brakes were used to achieve optimal tire temperature and the new ones are running cooler and therefore not helping maintain that temperature as expected, that will have a clear influence on front grip (which is one of the weakest points right now)… How much will new brake ducts help? No one knows, I definitely don’t think they would have been worth 1.5 seconds in Bahrain, but if you have to compromise for lack of front grip and have to run more front and rear wing, now you are also losing time on the straights, you are losing time everywhere.

The upgrade package wasn’t brought to Bahrain, since they first need to understand the current issues before they start bolting parts to the car (if you don’t, you can’t assess the impact of the upgrades).

[blastdoman]

And be replaced by whom? You're not going to pull big names with a struggle bus season, less buying power as you've had to pay out contracts of people whom they have just fired, this is exactly not the time to do a Ferrari revolving door type of situation, it never worked for them in the past it won't work for us now.

So let's continue the same, let's not do anything and continue to be embarrassed, since we haven't given it enough in the recent past... Now we can't blame Honda or a scapegoat. Some now seem to turn their eyes to the Mercedes engine, when this year's is one more of the shits of this team in the last decade,

So what do you suggest? Fire half the team? And then what? Who is supposed to help us solve our issues? I believe after the last couple of years, the people at the team deserve more credit than that.

I don't know what is the answer but asking for time and pretending nothing happened is not the solution. The person responsible for the design of this trap has to go home. I don't know if now or in a few months, but it's clear to me that he must go.

[SmallSoldier]

So let's continue the same, let's not do anything and continue to be embarrassed, since we haven't given it enough in the recent past... Now we can't blame Honda or a scapegoat. Some now seem to turn their eyes to the Mercedes engine, when this year's is one more of the shits of this team in the last decade,

So what do you suggest? Fire half the team? And then what? Who is supposed to help us solve our issues? I believe after the last couple of years, the people at the team deserve more credit than that.

I don't know what is the answer but asking for time and pretending nothing happened is not the solution. The person responsible for the design of this trap has to go home. I don't know if now or in a few months, but it's clear to me that he must go.

Quiet the overreaction… I’m glad it isn’t your call to make

[SmallSoldier]

Top speed wasn’t as horrible as I expected it to be:

[Emag]

If Ferrari had fired everyone after 2020 they wouldn't be here right now. Firing people when things go wrong is not the answer.