2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[SoulPancake13]

The team need to change the drink bottle supplier. The connections could be poorly designed.
I dont recall where the bottle is, but the malfunction on one car could have to do with Charle's molded seat. Can be a simple as that.
Maybe under high G's the bottle gets squeezed and the hose connection fails or unscrews.

This has been happening for years now, as deadhead said, if it had something to do with the design of the car or its parts, surely they would've changed it by now, right?

I still think it's just incompetency on the part of his main mechanics.

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In other news, from Giuliana:

[...] The aerodynamics department, led by Tondi, showed last season that despite some technical errors, the team had found the right development path. The SF-25 has gained aerodynamic downforce, but mechanical platform limitations prevent it from being used effectively. Major changes to the suspension-gearbox assembly resulted in a problematic rear end, even though the design aimed to expand the setup window, optimize weight distribution, and strike a better balance in the diffuser keel's volume. None of that has materialized on track yet.

Loic Serra is guiding the team through “band-aid” solutions, working within the FIA’s strict limitations on in-season mechanical modifications—changes are only allowed for reliability issues. With 2026 approaching, recovery plans must be carefully weighed, especially in terms of budget rather than timeframes.

We had already reported that Maranello explored a more aggressive aero-mechanical front-end concept for the SF-25, adopting a suspension closer in design to McLaren’s. The switch to a front pull-rod suspension, decided last May, was only the first step in a broader analysis of the front-end layout during chassis and mechanical group development. McLaren took it even further, redistributing suspension kinematics and repositioning key components for aerodynamic benefits. This reportedly added about 3 kg to the front suspension, a calculated structural risk.

Extreme anti-dive geometry was another concept Ferrari studied in recent months but ultimately scrapped, seeing more downsides than advantages.

The folks at AutoRacer seem convinced it is a mechanical issue at the rear then. Would be really disappointing considering I don't see a way they can fix it for this season without harming 2026 given the tone from AutoRacer about the issue.

[mstar]

Many of the mechanics on Leclerc’s side of the garage were formerly mechanics on Vettel’s car, no? And if I recall correctly, some within the team resented Leclerc for challenging Seb, who they adored.

Given the frequent and consistent issues with Leclerc’s car, going back multiple years now, be it odd tire warmup issues, leaking drink, parts improperly installed, etc, I’m highly suspicious of someone (or more than one person) sabotaging Leclerc’s car. Sounds a bit crazy, yeah, but no less crazy than the reoccurring issues Leclerc has had with his car over the years.

Need to clean house on that side of the garage.

Jeez on he Italian forums all i heard pre-season was "Charles stole Carlos best engineers, as Ferrari introduce more newbies into the race team[lewis garage]" leaving lewis with newbies and inexperienced race engineers. It doesn;t matter all things are driven by data so i dont think it make much difference. Lets not speculate on who has better side of the garage.

[Seanspeed]

Sounds a bit crazy, yeah

Yes, suggesting that Ferrari have a garage full of people that are sabotaging their own lead driver is indeed crazy, in probably the most literal sense possible.

This feels like one of those situations where you have an intrusive thought in your head, but you keep it yourself and realize it's ridiculous, not write it down on the internet and hit 'Submit' as a serious claim.

I think I’d say the same - keep it to yourself - about your post ridiculing me for sharing such a thought.

The “intrusive thoughts” comment seems more like a form of self-reporting than anything else. Someone having a far-fetched, conspiratorial idea related to Formula 1 by no means indicates one is actively fighting intrusive thoughts and they just can’t manage to keep them internalized. It’s far-out, sure, but just a thought (one I provided a rationale for, and ultimately acknowledge as unlikely).

I’m not the only voice who has suggested cleaning house on Leclerc’s side of the garage, I recall Vanja blowing that horn in recent seasons, too (for whatever that’s worth). And whether it’s a matter of malice or incompetence, there is no argument that the frequent and consistent issues Leclerc has had with his racecar over the past several seasons occur at a far greater rate than they do to the other Ferrari, let alone any other driver on the grid. That seems to suggest that reevaluating his mechanics may be a wise idea (again, even if we assume it’s a matter of incompetence, rather than sabotage).

Well what I think is happening is that there are spiritual forces that seep into the car causing it problems as karmic justice because Leclerc secretly beats up homeless people at night wearing a disguise.

I demand you take my opinion seriously.

And you never said you thought it was unlikely, just that you recognized it might sound crazy, before affirming that you dont think it's actually crazy.

I also have no issue talking about evaluation of Leclerc's side of the garage. Doesn't mean I need to entertain whacky conspiracies about it, though.

[Luscion]

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The Ferrari has quickly gone from being unripe to misunderstood, but technically it has the efficiency of a great car, it would be a shame to waste it. Understanding can do a lot, but time is running out. The next two races are decisive. Contrary to popular belief, Suzuka may not be worse than China, before returning to Bahrain where the introduction of a new floor is expected. The first package could indirectly widen the range of heights, but it was not designed to solve a specific problem. The SF-25 has excellent aerodynamic efficiency, but its weakness was found in the stiffness of the rear axle. This doesn't mean that much more can't be done with the set-up. It's a path that requires kilometers of exploration. The more rigid and harder compounds can help, just as the higher pressures didn't hurt in the Sprint race won in Shanghai.

Solutions for Suzuka

In light of Melbourne (with more uneven asphalt, but not so dramatic) and then Shanghai which instead had a smooth surface, we could see a relatively better Ferrari at Suzuka, if other teams are also forced to raise the floor due to compressions. This will involve setting up the car to reduce the wear of the underbody plank in order to stay away from risks.

[ScuderiaLeo]

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The Ferrari has quickly gone from being unripe to misunderstood, but technically it has the efficiency of a great car, it would be a shame to waste it. Understanding can do a lot, but time is running out. The next two races are decisive. Contrary to popular belief, Suzuka may not be worse than China, before returning to Bahrain where the introduction of a new floor is expected. The first package could indirectly widen the range of heights, but it was not designed to solve a specific problem. The SF-25 has excellent aerodynamic efficiency, but its weakness was found in the stiffness of the rear axle. This doesn't mean that much more can't be done with the set-up. It's a path that requires kilometers of exploration. The more rigid and harder compounds can help, just as the higher pressures didn't hurt in the Sprint race won in Shanghai.

So a new floor is pretty much confirmed for Bahrain. The report that they'd bring it to Suzuka made no sense, I'm glad we got early confirmation about Bahrain.

In Suzuka I predict they'll use the FPs to try out all sorts of things, ending up near the bottom of the times and creating mass panic here

Jeez on he Italian forums all i heard pre-season was "Charles stole Carlos best engineers, as Ferrari introduce more newbies into the race team[lewis garage]" leaving lewis with newbies and inexperienced race engineers. It doesn;t matter all things are driven by data so i dont think it make much difference. Lets not speculate on who has better side of the garage.

All things are driven by data... and the data says that Leclerc's garage is less competent. This isn't speculation, this is a fact if you review the mechanical problems Sainz and Leclerc had respectively during their time together.

[Emag]

I do feel like Ferrari is probably the only team in F1 which is under constant heavy pressure to perform. They never get the chance to be "lowkey" and work things out in the background, because the italian media and journalists with connections to the team won't let them. Lewis joining just enhanced this effect.

I mean, how many times have we heard about "magical, extreme or revolutionary" solutions found by Ferrari engineers in the factory weeks or even months before we even see them on the car. I am exaggerating of course, but the point is, you don't get this level of scrutiny on other teams and expectations are incredibly difficult to manage for Ferrari. Right now, they don't need any of this speculation that has been going on since Australia, nor the various "leaks" on possible fundamental mechanical issues at the rear, but they can't really avoid it just because they're Ferrari.

You get all of these "false promises" reported by various individuals/portals and then people are disappointed when they don't see the "advertised results" on track, forgetting that almost never do those claims come from Ferrari themselves.

People need to just chill and let Ferrari do their thing. We are at a point in F1 where seasons have never been longer. It's not like the season is a throwaway after 2 bad weekends. The car clearly is not a dud with no underlying pace as it was in 2023. They are just facing some issues with dialing the platform to bring that performance out consistently. There's no reason (right now) to believe they cannot fix this, but the fix should be expected within a reasonable timeframe. I seriously can't believe people think it's a realistic expectation to not only have a solution to the problem, but also to have that solution fully manufactured and ready to be placed on the cars within just 2 weeks.

And also, because I have seen it brought up often, McLaren last year is not a comparable situation. They had no real "issues" with the launch-spec car, other than it being months behind in development. They couldn't meet their deadlines, so the car that they intended to start the season with, could only make it in Miami.

If McLaren had also faced some sort of underlying problem with their car last year, I am sure they would have struggled to find a solution quickly too, even with all their fancy new facilities and hires.

[Seanspeed]

And also, because I have seen it brought up often, McLaren last year is not a comparable situation. They had no real "issues" with the launch-spec car, other than it being months behind in development. They couldn't meet their deadlines, so the car that they intended to start the season with, could only make it in Miami.

If McLaren had also faced some sort of underlying problem with their car last year, I am sure they would have struggled to find a solution quickly too, even with all their fancy new facilities and hires.

Well this is the entire problem. Mclaren do not have issues. They've got a car with the highest performance ceiling and crucially with these cars - by far the widest operating window. They're simply gonna be good in almost all situations with no real concerning weaknesses. That's a high bar, yet the bar Ferrari needs to get to if they want to fight for the title, all in a season where teams wont be able to justify developing the 2025 car for too long, and where Mclaren are likely to pocket a very handy lead before Ferrari even has the opportunity to try and correct any issues.

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim. The turnaround they need is substantial and it needs to happen quite soon. They were never gonna be able to afford having the 2025 car have problems like this. The hope was always that they'd have successfully learned from 2024 and taken a step forward in all the areas they needed to. This has not happened. Certainly there's improvements in some areas, but such a narrow operating window causing constant problems is a really bad problem to have.

[Xyz22]

And also, because I have seen it brought up often, McLaren last year is not a comparable situation. They had no real "issues" with the launch-spec car, other than it being months behind in development. They couldn't meet their deadlines, so the car that they intended to start the season with, could only make it in Miami.

If McLaren had also faced some sort of underlying problem with their car last year, I am sure they would have struggled to find a solution quickly too, even with all their fancy new facilities and hires.

Well this is the entire problem. Mclaren do not have issues. They've got a car with the highest performance ceiling and crucially with these cars - by far the widest operating window. They're simply gonna be good in almost all situations with no real concerning weaknesses. That's a high bar, yet the bar Ferrari needs to get to if they want to fight for the title, all in a season where teams wont be able to justify developing the 2025 car for too long, and where Mclaren are likely to pocket a very handy lead before Ferrari even has the opportunity to try and correct any issues.

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim. The turnaround they need is substantial and it needs to happen quite soon. They were never gonna be able to afford having the 2025 car have problems like this. The hope was always that they'd have successfully learned from 2024 and taken a step forward in all the areas they needed to. This has not happened. Certainly there's improvements in some areas, but such a narrow operating window causing constant problems is a really bad problem to have.

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

[Seanspeed]

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

Some folks are clinging to the hope that the form from the Sprint race and whatnot demonstrates a higher ceiling than Merc and Red Bull, and it's just a matter of being able to extract that more regularly.

Because otherwise, yea you're right - out of the six qualifying and race sessions we've had, Ferrari have been beaten convincingly by Mercedes, Red Bull and Mclaren in four of them.

[deadhead]

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim.

I’d give them a ~20% chance of catching up to McLaren, but if they do catch up chances of winning the WCC with HAM and LEC at the wheel are very high.

[Xyz22]

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

Some folks are clinging to the hope that the form from the Sprint race and whatnot demonstrates a higher ceiling than Merc and Red Bull, and it's just a matter of being able to extract that more regularly.

Because otherwise, yea you're right - out of the six qualifying and race sessions we've had, Ferrari have been beaten convincingly by Mercedes, Red Bull and Mclaren in four of them.

The issue for Ferrari is that they arrived at the first race with a car that is not "ready". This is the worst year to start behind because they need to carefully allocate resources as the next year there will be a massive regulation change.

The SF 25 is still having issues in qualifying as clearly explained by Charles who said that friday Lewis pulled off a miracle in SQ + the others didn't find a good setup yet (on top of McL completely --- up the SQ strategy).
The real picture was Q3 where the SF 25 was around 0.3s slower than McL. Moreover, in order to be competitive in the race, they pushed the limits of fuel management and plank wear, resulting in a double DSQ which is a complete disaster. Ferrari is already 51 points behind McL in the WCC, a massive margin.

A WCC/WDC comeback would be realistic only if the unlocked potential of the SF 25 would provide significantly higher performance than the McL which is quite an unrealistic scenario in my opinion.
Now there will be 3 consecutive races with pretty much no time to bring upgrades or find magical solutions. If Leclerc/Hamilton will finish P5/P6 the season is more or less over.

[venkyhere]

I do feel like Ferrari is probably the only team in F1 which is under constant heavy pressure to perform. They never get the chance to be "lowkey" and work things out in the background, because the italian media and journalists with connections to the team won't let them. Lewis joining just enhanced this effect.

isn't Ferrari the team, that :
1. enjoys extra prize money from F1, over and on top the money dictated by their constructors standings ?
2. enjoys 'national team' status in Italy, 'religion like', where people almost worship the drivers and engineers ?
3. has nearly unlimited financial resources (which makes a difference even in the budget cap era, via clever accountants) given the stupendous success their branding success/passenger car sales revenue ?

Given these, I think they deserve all the pressure. No other team is accorded the 'privilege' that Ferrari get.

[dialtone]

I do feel like Ferrari is probably the only team in F1 which is under constant heavy pressure to perform. They never get the chance to be "lowkey" and work things out in the background, because the italian media and journalists with connections to the team won't let them. Lewis joining just enhanced this effect.

isn't Ferrari the team, that :
1. enjoys extra prize money from F1, over and on top the money dictated by their constructors standings ?
2. enjoys 'national team' status in Italy, 'religion like', where people almost worship the drivers and engineers ?
3. has nearly unlimited financial resources (which makes a difference even in the budget cap era, via clever accountants) given the stupendous success their branding success/passenger car sales revenue ?

Given these, I think they deserve all the pressure. No other team is accorded the 'privilege' that Ferrari get.

I’m sorry but what are you talking about with clever accountants?

I’m going to start reporting the nonsense going forward.

[Seanspeed]

3. has nearly unlimited financial resources (which makes a difference even in the budget cap era, via clever accountants) given the stupendous success their branding success/passenger car sales revenue ?

This is speculative, bordering on outright conspiracy. There's no indication Ferrari are benefiting from any clever accounting advantages. And it's certainly nothing that the likes of Mercedes or Red Bull couldn't also have if 'parent company has a lot of money' is the only basis for your claim.

[Xyz22]

3. has nearly unlimited financial resources (which makes a difference even in the budget cap era, via clever accountants) given the stupendous success their branding success/passenger car sales revenue ?

This is speculative, bordering on outright conspiracy. There's no indication Ferrari are benefiting from any clever accounting advantages. And it's certainly nothing that the likes of Mercedes or Red Bull couldn't also have if 'parent company has a lot of money' is the only basis for your claim.

This claim is borderline hilarious as Ferrari is the team with some of the lowest wages in Formula 1