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-wkst- wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:55
Until March they used the Brackley tunnel and 100% of their tunnel time for 2025, could be that some planned parts were only tested there, or tested in both tunnels. I guess we will never know exactly, Team will be tight lipped.
Lets talk here post race. Trust me nothing will change.i will happily apologise to all if aston is able to move forward.

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We will talk anyway, but I was not talking about a successful or unsuccessful update, just that they used 2 different tunnels in the last few months, so noone here knows how many tunnel hours (from the new tunnel) went into new parts for the AMR25 for Imola.

From a logical point of view they use nearly all time for the AMR26, as they only put it into the tunnel in March (delay compared to others) and there's nothing to win with the current car.

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Aston Martin is testing today at Zandvoort

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max_speed wrote:
13 May 2025, 12:33
-wkst- wrote:
13 May 2025, 08:55
Until March they used the Brackley tunnel and 100% of their tunnel time for 2025, could be that some planned parts were only tested there, or tested in both tunnels. I guess we will never know exactly, Team will be tight lipped.
Lets talk here post race. Trust me nothing will change.i will happily apologise to all if aston is able to move forward.
That's not true ...the parts will!

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-wkst- wrote:
13 May 2025, 13:05
We will talk anyway, but I was not talking about a successful or unsuccessful update, just that they used 2 different tunnels in the last few months, so noone here knows how many tunnel hours (from the new tunnel) went into new parts for the AMR25 for Imola.

From a logical point of view they use nearly all time for the AMR26, as they only put it into the tunnel in March (delay compared to others) and there's nothing to win with the current car.
My understanding from this ....

"Team Principal Cowell confirmed that the wind tunnel has been in use since mid-March and is taking on both 2025 and 2026 aerodynamic development, with the first fruits of that labour due to hit the track soon.

“We’ve transitioned to this tunnel, and there’s hardware coming through that we’ll see at the circuit in the coming races,” Cowell explained at the recent Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, with Aston Martin previously using engine supplier Mercedes’ wind tunnel."


was this upgrade is all NWT. Mid March to Mid May is a long time.

Mid march Would just be the first race of the season. The regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT.

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Newey gonna be in Monaco with notebook according to Aston Martin itself. Probably gonna have a heart attack when he sees we’re closer to formula 2 than pole position

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Read the whole interview of Adrain Newey for his new team.
UNDERCUT | Adrian Newey:
https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... f_2Pv7FBig

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abhi1200 wrote:
13 May 2025, 20:58
Read the whole interview of Adrain Newey for his new team.
UNDERCUT | Adrian Newey:
https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... f_2Pv7FBig
OK, I couldn't resist trying out the Ai.lonso reader. Too funny!

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Monaco parts apparently will be circuit specific and Barcelona is that forced by the reg change. So it could be only Imola as far as performance updates are concerned.

Some are pessimistic about the Imola updates already as Fernando himself is advising caution. A floor was mentioned but apparently it might not be much of a gain.

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KimiRai wrote:
14 May 2025, 03:35
Monaco parts apparently will be circuit specific and Barcelona is that forced by the reg change. So it could be only Imola as far as performance updates are concerned.

Some are pessimistic about the Imola updates already as Fernando himself is advising caution. A floor was mentioned but apparently it might not be much of a gain.
Newey said that only a small team is working on the aerodynamics for this car. People really need to let this year go.

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KimiRai wrote:
14 May 2025, 03:35
Monaco parts apparently will be circuit specific and Barcelona is that forced by the reg change. So it could be only Imola as far as performance updates are concerned.

Some are pessimistic about the Imola updates already as Fernando himself is advising caution. A floor was mentioned but apparently it might not be much of a gain.
Every team at the Top is bringing rear brake update to Spain including Aston Martin. But yeah. New Floor for Imola and well that's about it. Testing in Zandvoort was done in AMR23 for Jak Crawford. Likely to check wind tunnel correlation and gather data for crosswind and high wind turbulence effects. Newer wind tunnels can be used to analyze there so when they run a part, they can check if it's too sensitive and work on it. But They need data for that so Zandvoort i guess.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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"Do you have any involvement with the AMR25?

"Lawrence understandably wants us to do as well as we can in 2025 so there's a small team still working on this year's car from an aerodynamics point of view. I've had a few lunchtime conversations with that small group, discussing the car and what we can do about it.""
Hopefully those "lunchtime conversations" can produce some pace, but it seems like he doesn't want to waste time on this years car.

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diffuser wrote:
13 May 2025, 19:13
-wkst- wrote:
13 May 2025, 13:05
We will talk anyway, but I was not talking about a successful or unsuccessful update, just that they used 2 different tunnels in the last few months, so noone here knows how many tunnel hours (from the new tunnel) went into new parts for the AMR25 for Imola.

From a logical point of view they use nearly all time for the AMR26, as they only put it into the tunnel in March (delay compared to others) and there's nothing to win with the current car.
was this upgrade is all NWT. Mid March to Mid May is a long time.

Mid march Would just be the first race of the season. The regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT.
It is not a long time as updates need to be signed off and produced. That's not a process of just some days. At least a month is realistic.

Furthermore it is not the case that they were able to save tunnel time. The rules are clear, that is only possible when the currently used tunnel has a failure, which was not the case at Brackley.

ATR1 ended at March 2nd and all tunnel time until there was used for the AMR25 in the Brackley tunnel. What AMR did afterwards with their tunnel time, for which project (in %) they spend it, is unclear. Cowell only said that they use it for both cars. Maybe it is already 90-10 in favour of the AMR26.

Listening to Newey it becomes quite clear that there are only working a few guys for the AMR25. I would not expect much...

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Yeah it’s all relative gain. As long as the drivers and team say the update on track correlates with the wind tunnel numbers that’s enough for me

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TyreSlip wrote:
14 May 2025, 04:58
KimiRai wrote:
14 May 2025, 03:35
Monaco parts apparently will be circuit specific and Barcelona is that forced by the reg change. So it could be only Imola as far as performance updates are concerned.

Some are pessimistic about the Imola updates already as Fernando himself is advising caution. A floor was mentioned but apparently it might not be much of a gain.
Newey said that only a small team is working on the aerodynamics for this car. People really need to let this year go.
It's not like they're gonna be making changes to any other part of the car.