Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[astracrazy]

I'm just concerned the best driver isn't going to win the WDC. Nico has had 43 free points this year from Lewis's DNF's - yet the gap is only 22 points. That shows the best driver isn't leading the championship.

I'm not fanboying Lewis, but theres no doubt who should be leading this fight by a margin. It's also clear to see and work out that even 1 DNF for Nico will be a big disadvantage for him (based on this season so far) so things could easily turn around very quickly - even at the next race

Well you are fanboying. Both drivers drive very well with little between them. Now claiming after Canada that Lewis is the best driver and will not win WDC is just premature and incorrect. Both in Bahrain and Spain Rosberg was the faster guy, but Hamilton got the win. So by your logic you should be worried that in the end it might be Rosberg who is best but not WDC...

I'm not fanboying at all, i'm stating the facts as i see them. If Lewis has no dnf's he would be leading even if he finished 2nd in both cases.

Nico was faster because he was on the faster tyres, if i remember, but still couldn't overtake....

Good post Mandrake. People are forgetting Lewis' dirty driving and blocking earlier in the year and think he is entitled to the WDC. He is getting outsmarted and outdriven by Nico at the moment, it makes it a lot spicier.

What dirty driving and blocking? Bahrain? It was good hard racing which we all like to say. Same as turn 1 yesterday - good hard racing. But so far, i've only seen Rosbergs antics questioned and put in front the stewards so by that what he is doing is more borderline than Lewis.

But i agree with you that in some cases he is out smarting Lewis. Sometimes I believe it is because he is able to see what Lewis is doing and apply it. Whilst Lewis in that sense has that natural ability, Nico can apply what he is seeing which is still worth noting. Other team mates have been in the same situation before and not been able to do it

I for one am not saying lewis is entitled to the title, i'm simply stating that he has had bad luck which is stopping him from leading at this present time.

[SiLo]

I'm just concerned the best driver isn't going to win the WDC. Nico has had 43 free points this year from Lewis's DNF's - yet the gap is only 22 points. That shows the best driver isn't leading the championship.

I'm not fanboying Lewis, but theres no doubt who should be leading this fight by a margin. It's also clear to see and work out that even 1 DNF for Nico will be a big disadvantage for him (based on this season so far) so things could easily turn around very quickly - even at the next race

Well you are fanboying. Both drivers drive very well with little between them. Now claiming after Canada that Lewis is the best driver and will not win WDC is just premature and incorrect. Both in Bahrain and Spain Rosberg was the faster guy, but Hamilton got the win. So by your logic you should be worried that in the end it might be Rosberg who is best but not WDC...

I'm not fanboying at all, i'm stating the facts as i see them. If Lewis has no dnf's he would be leading even if he finished 2nd in both cases.

Nico was faster because he was on the faster tyres, if i remember, but still couldn't overtake....

Good post Mandrake. People are forgetting Lewis' dirty driving and blocking earlier in the year and think he is entitled to the WDC. He is getting outsmarted and outdriven by Nico at the moment, it makes it a lot spicier.

What dirty driving and blocking? Bahrain? It was good hard racing which we all like to say. Same as turn 1 yesterday - good hard racing. But so far, i've only seen Rosbergs antics questioned and put in front the stewards so by that what he is doing is more borderline than Lewis.

But i agree with you that in some cases he is out smarting Lewis. Sometimes I believe it is because he is able to see what Lewis is doing and apply it. Whilst Lewis in that sense has that natural ability, Nico can apply what he is seeing which is still worth noting. Other team mates have been in the same situation before and not been able to do it

I for one am not saying lewis is entitled to the title, i'm simply stating that he has had bad luck which is stopping him from leading at this present time.

Agree with everything you have said. Rosberg has been investigated twice and Hamilton hasn't. That at least shows that the stewards think Rosberg might be up to something on those occasions. Obviously no penalty was applied either time, but the doubt was there and that is enough for them to look into it.

I'm just thankful that it is Hamilton behind in the WDC. I fear a larger lead for him over Rosberg might have dampened the racing somewhat.

[60DShim]

I'm just thankful that it is Hamilton behind in the WDC. I fear a larger lead for him over Rosberg might have dampened the racing somewhat.

So you are okay with Nico leading/winning the WDC because Hamilton's DNF's from mechanical issues? I'm not ok with that, I'd rather he win because he genuinely did better than Hamilton.

[flynfrog]

I'm just thankful that it is Hamilton behind in the WDC. I fear a larger lead for him over Rosberg might have dampened the racing somewhat.

So you are okay with Nico leading/winning the WDC because Hamilton's DNF's from mechanical issues? I'm not ok with that, I'd rather he win because he genuinely did better than Hamilton.

He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home

[beelsebob]

He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home

So, how do you propose that Hamilton should have been able to bring the car home, given that the only reason that Rosberg was able to bring it home was because his failed second, and they knew what not to do by that point?

[flynfrog]

He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home

So, how do you propose that Hamilton should have been able to bring the car home, given that the only reason that Rosberg was able to bring it home was because his failed second, and they knew what not to do by that point?

tough breaks that's racing. I have proposed a few times on here we just declare Hamiltion world champion every season they we don't have to have stupid threads like this every year. How many "Championship without misfortune" threads do we really need

[60DShim]

I'm just thankful that it is Hamilton behind in the WDC. I fear a larger lead for him over Rosberg might have dampened the racing somewhat.

So you are okay with Nico leading/winning the WDC because Hamilton's DNF's from mechanical issues? I'm not ok with that, I'd rather he win because he genuinely did better than Hamilton.

He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home

Toto Wolff himself said that Hamilton's brake failure wasn't his fault. It was because of MGU-K failure putting a heavier load on the brakes then when he pitted it cause them to critically overheat.

Mercedes co-boss Toto Wolff said: "We had a problem with both cars on the same lap. When Lewis pitted, because of pit stop, the temperatures rose too high in the brakes and he lost them.

"We knew brakes could be an issue, but this particular issue occured because if you loses the MGU-K, it's much harder on the brakes. And with the rise in temperatures in the pits you end up having a real problem."

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3369/934 ... power-loss

It leaves a nasty feeling for me that any driver can do the absolute best he can but lose the championship from mechanical issues. Then the 2nd place driver, who isn't doing the best/winning the most wins the championship and everyone hails him as the best in the world. That shouldn't be the way the championship works.

[Sevach]

Regarding the chicane cut incident:

1-I hope nobody is suggesting Rosberg premeditated this.

2-The track is badly designed there, the speed bump is set in a way that if you miss the chicane you need to go completely straight to avoid it, i think it would be fairer if instead of directing people to cut straightline the corner right next to the pit wall they made them do a still somewhat sharp turn to avoid the bump.
So close the passage near the pitwall and bring it much closer to the chicane.

3-I never seen anybody punished on the first cut without having another driver alongside him.

[astracrazy]

Regarding the chicane cut incident:

1-I hope nobody is suggesting Rosberg premeditated this.

2-The track is badly designed there, the speed bump is set in a way that if you miss the chicane you need to go completely straight to avoid it, i think it would be fairer if instead of directing people to cut straightline the corner right next to the pit wall they made them do a still somewhat sharp turn to avoid the bump.
So close the passage near the pitwall and bring it much closer to the chicane.

3-I never seen anybody punished on the first cut without having another driver alongside him.

I don't think the issue is he cut the chicane, it happened so many time during the race weekend it was no surprise if anyone done it during the race. I think what people don't like is he then flawed it to stay ahead and gained about half a sec doing it. So there is no doubt he gained an advantage which is unfair. The trouble is the track layout opens the door to this, if he had to swerve around sleeping policemen or barriers like monza, would he of stayed ahead? No. So something should be done there.

Your right you don't get people punished but in the same regard you usually don't get such big advantages being gained from doing it. Drivers usually keep the position but not the + half a sec as well?

Its a grey area which favours the person who does it. I think if you gain an advantage for leaving the track then a penalty should apply. An advantage is an advantage regardless if you do it to take or keep your position.

[60DShim]

Regarding the chicane cut incident:

1-I hope nobody is suggesting Rosberg premeditated this.

2-The track is badly designed there, the speed bump is set in a way that if you miss the chicane you need to go completely straight to avoid it, i think it would be fairer if instead of directing people to cut straightline the corner right next to the pit wall they made them do a still somewhat sharp turn to avoid the bump.
So close the passage near the pitwall and bring it much closer to the chicane.

3-I never seen anybody punished on the first cut without having another driver alongside him.

I don't think the issue is he cut the chicane, it happened so many time during the race weekend it was no surprise if anyone done it during the race. I think what people don't like is he then flawed it to stay ahead and gained about half a sec doing it. So there is no doubt he gained an advantage which is unfair. The trouble is the track layout opens the door to this, if he had to swerve around sleeping policemen or barriers like monza, would he of stayed ahead? No. So something should be done there.

Your right you don't get people punished but in the same regard you usually don't get such big advantages being gained from doing it. Drivers usually keep the position but not the + half a sec as well?

Its a grey area which favours the person who does it. I think if you gain an advantage for leaving the track then a penalty should apply. An advantage is an advantage regardless if you do it to take or keep your position.

Exactly, I don't mind that he cut the chicane, Lewis did it and so did a ton of other drivers. I don't like that he floored it and came back out with almost a second advantage that he honestly didn't give back. Lewis had the gap down to .5 second then it was 1.5 and remained at 1-1.2 for a few laps.

Nico isn't cheating in any way, but things like that and Monaco really do make me dislike him. Sure Lewis is a bit of a showoff when he's not in the car, but when he is he's 100% fair and I can't recall one time he's done something underhanded.

Something should be done about that chicane. Drivers should have to slow down when they go off track, at that spot he can go full on and regain with no penalty yet gaining some time as the car behind has to follow the race line which is obviously slower.

[Sevach]

I don't think the issue is he cut the chicane, it happened so many time during the race weekend it was no surprise if anyone done it during the race. I think what people don't like is he then flawed it to stay ahead and gained about half a sec doing it. So there is no doubt he gained an advantage which is unfair. The trouble is the track layout opens the door to this, if he had to swerve around sleeping policemen or barriers like monza, would he of stayed ahead? No. So something should be done there.

Your right you don't get people punished but in the same regard you usually don't get such big advantages being gained from doing it. Drivers usually keep the position but not the + half a sec as well?

Its a grey area which favours the person who does it. I think if you gain an advantage for leaving the track then a penalty should apply. An advantage is an advantage regardless if you do it to take or keep your position.

I agree that the track isn't punishing at all to people who cut it and that should be changed for next year.

Rosberg went faster there but he says he slowed down on the next corners, of course that doesn't make for the fact that Hamilton missed the opportunity he would've had on the next straight...

[sectionate]

I am expecting to see Rosberg be utterly ruthless in the pursuit of the title, assuming the Merc dominance continues at Austria, the rest of the season is going to be interesting.

[George-Jung]

Come on, what is it with all the bad mouthing of these drivers. Both are very gifted, we should be glad to see a battle like this. Saying that one driver or the other is clearly superior in whatever way is just off target. Hamilton shouldn't go and Rosberg isn't a punk either. They are simply two very different personalities who happen to be insanely quick.

Fully agree; nothing to add..

What we have now is far better than the past 4 Red Bull dominant years.. With only one driver winning almost every race..

[astracrazy]

i expect there dominance to last some time yet. I only think occasionally do we see the full pace of these cars. They were 6 tenths quicker in quali which is a lot over a 1:15.00 track. Or another example, Mercs did there fastest lap (Nico) 1:18.881 lap 33, Massa 1:18.504 lap 58. Thats a lot.of fuel and track evo for a 3 tenth difference

[dans79]

He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home

Um, that's not exactly true. during the last turbo era f1 had a rule called best results count. Its the reason Senna won the WDC in 88. Senna scored fewer points than Prost, but won the championship because he won more races.

I won't even go into the fact that it was dumb luck Rosberg got the car home.