2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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diffuser wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 08:42
collindsilva wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 06:07
Engine Homologation date was 1st March, any news what spec engine they have confirmed, what about the fuel, is AMR team ready with the fuel...
They've been running the Amaraco fuel through all the preseason tests. I haven't heard any complaints about it.

They had more than 1 spec? The way I understand it is this is spec #1-march 2026. Before March 1st there was no spec, the way I understand it anyways. That's what homologation means.
Aramco Fuel - All team were exempt from running sustainable fuel for the preseason test, moreover, as reported the approval on the sustainable fuel is received only for 2 engine suppliers i.e. Ferrarie and Audi

Engine Homologation - Honda had problems with the Engine during preseason test and were working for solutions, so no way they would Homologation the same engine without necessary fixes or upgrades, since the Homologation date already passed, what engine have they provided to FIA for approval?

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collindsilva wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 09:03

Aramco Fuel - All team were exempt from running sustainable fuel for the preseason test, moreover, as reported the approval on the sustainable fuel is received only for 2 engine suppliers i.e. Ferrarie and Audi
Shell, BP, and Exxon have been approved.
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collindsilva wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 09:03
diffuser wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 08:42
collindsilva wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 06:07
Engine Homologation date was 1st March, any news what spec engine they have confirmed, what about the fuel, is AMR team ready with the fuel...
They've been running the Amaraco fuel through all the preseason tests. I haven't heard any complaints about it.

They had more than 1 spec? The way I understand it is this is spec #1-march 2026. Before March 1st there was no spec, the way I understand it anyways. That's what homologation means.
Aramco Fuel - All team were exempt from running sustainable fuel for the preseason test, moreover, as reported the approval on the sustainable fuel is received only for 2 engine suppliers i.e. Ferrarie and Audi

Engine Homologation - Honda had problems with the Engine during preseason test and were working for solutions, so no way they would Homologation the same engine without necessary fixes or upgrades, since the Homologation date already passed, what engine have they provided to FIA for approval?
Aramco Fuel has the MBS FIA privilege, so no worries about it

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Vasseur comments on PU lead times and PU budget cap
The biggest problem in this specific case is that when a gray area concerns the power unit, the time to react is very long. In addition, the engine is also managed under budget cap, and this complicates things even more. There is precise planning, we know exactly how many power units we will produce during the season, orders for components have been made well in advance because delivery times are very long.
How much does the budget cap weigh in a season like this?
"On the chassis we are used to it now, it was harder in the first two seasons, now the mechanism is broken in. The problem is that you can't afford to make mistakes, there is no budget to change five frames, as well as other components, for example the transmission, and in general everything that has a very high cost. But that's how it is for everyone. On the power unit, it is even more complex. Because between production and development costs you immediately get close to the limit, a possible reliability problem immediately sounds the alarm. An unexpected means having to schedule extra work to identify the cause of the problem, the solution, and the tests on the test bench. This fear means that all power unit manufacturers have to keep a safety margin, but from what we saw in the tests in Bahrain the reliability for now looks good."
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-va ... /10801519/
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I think this is the concern for Aston and Honda. In terms of parts and budget cap they can’t just “blow up” engines until they find a solution. This is why I could potentially see them retire the car early in Melbourne. Or run it severely detuned.

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I agree. They need the first PU in the pool to survive as long as possible.
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On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.

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Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 12:33
I think this is the concern for Aston and Honda. In terms of parts and budget cap they can’t just “blow up” engines until they find a solution. This is why I could potentially see them retire the car early in Melbourne. Or run it severely detuned.
Aston Martin are solving vibration problems not pu reliability problems ,why are people tone deaf all the reporting in the media is fake .merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new

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Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 13:10
On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.
Hard to tell how much of a drag it is. It obviously doesn't help, there are some resources being thrown at this.

All the mitigation efforts being made up until now are not being made on parts in the homologation list. Doesn't mean there aren't people who have access to those parts that are also looking at incorporating vibration fixes in future revisions of the PU.

Be interesting to know what percentage of this work is being done by Cowell and the 4 other AMRF1 engineers working in Japan. Sounds to me like non homologation parts would be more on them to a certain extent.

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Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:28
Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 12:33
I think this is the concern for Aston and Honda. In terms of parts and budget cap they can’t just “blow up” engines until they find a solution. This is why I could potentially see them retire the car early in Melbourne. Or run it severely detuned.
Aston Martin are solving vibration problems not pu reliability problems ,why are people tone deaf all the reporting in the media is fake .merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new
Yes we know, everything the media says about Honda that you disagree with is "fake".

Here's why no one is talking about Mercedes and everyone is talking about Honda. Look at total laps per team and manufacturer.
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Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:28
merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new
Compression ratio was the far bigger story about Merc.
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:59
Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:28
merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new
Compression ratio was the far bigger story about Merc.
It was the story before testing but after testing the are lot of stories to report to rather nonstop honda smear campaign. Compression ratio trick give an estimate of 10 to 15 hp so it's not game changer that we were lead to believe , so why believe media now

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Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:55
Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:28
Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 12:33
I think this is the concern for Aston and Honda. In terms of parts and budget cap they can’t just “blow up” engines until they find a solution. This is why I could potentially see them retire the car early in Melbourne. Or run it severely detuned.
Aston Martin are solving vibration problems not pu reliability problems ,why are people tone deaf all the reporting in the media is fake .merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new
Yes we know, everything the media says about Honda that you disagree with is "fake".

Here's why no one is talking about Mercedes and everyone is talking about Honda. Look at total laps per team and manufacturer.
https://preview.redd.it/laps-and-distan ... 294b7e94d0
No honda came out and made a public statement about the problems so that people stop making --- up.its not about what I believe. Merc covering large numbers of laps on spec 1 pu doesn't change the fact that the second spec engine that only mercedes ran had problems .

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Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 15:30
Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:55
Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:28


Aston Martin are solving vibration problems not pu reliability problems ,why are people tone deaf all the reporting in the media is fake .merc on the other hand had 2 pu failers on latest spec but you wont know that reading new
Yes we know, everything the media says about Honda that you disagree with is "fake".

Here's why no one is talking about Mercedes and everyone is talking about Honda. Look at total laps per team and manufacturer.
https://preview.redd.it/laps-and-distan ... 294b7e94d0
No honda came out and made a public statement about the problems so that people stop making --- up.its not about what I believe. Merc covering large numbers of laps on spec 1 pu doesn't change the fact that the second spec engine that only mercedes ran had problems .
And nothing about their statement indicated that the problem was only on Aston's side, as you suggested.
For instance, if the cause were pinpointed to something like the transmission or the engine, it would be much easier to tackle. However, I suspect multiple components are interacting to generate the vibration. Given that, it's unclear whether fixing one part alone will resolve it, so we can't rule out the possibility of this dragging on. That said, purely in terms of determination, I'm absolutely intent on fixing it quickly

I'm aiming to reduce the vibration before the season opener, but I intend to get the car into a competitive state before Suzuka
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Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 15:48
Bill wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 15:30
Badger wrote:
03 Mar 2026, 14:55

Yes we know, everything the media says about Honda that you disagree with is "fake".

Here's why no one is talking about Mercedes and everyone is talking about Honda. Look at total laps per team and manufacturer.
https://preview.redd.it/laps-and-distan ... 294b7e94d0
No honda came out and made a public statement about the problems so that people stop making --- up.its not about what I believe. Merc covering large numbers of laps on spec 1 pu doesn't change the fact that the second spec engine that only mercedes ran had problems .
And nothing about their statement indicated that the problem was only on Aston's side, as you suggested.
For instance, if the cause were pinpointed to something like the transmission or the engine, it would be much easier to tackle. However, I suspect multiple components are interacting to generate the vibration. Given that, it's unclear whether fixing one part alone will resolve it, so we can't rule out the possibility of this dragging on. That said, purely in terms of determination, I'm absolutely intent on fixing it quickly

I'm aiming to reduce the vibration before the season opener, but I intend to get the car into a competitive state before Suzuka
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No it didn't say that .I said honda pu has no realibity problems as of now which is logical since it was running detuned most of the time.the vibration enamate from battery mounting points but I haven't seen any report from Honda that say it is caused by pu