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If a detuned engine/PU can keep up with the Ferrari, according to the GPS data, then it shows that the hardware must be good. It is very likely, that the battery is also good by itself. But if there is a harmonic resonance catastrophe, the entire picture is skewed. Add some thermic shock to the recipe, just for a bit of umami. And we only get distorted informations based on morsels of leaked infos without the proper context. If the cohesion and the balance gets established between the components, suddenly we are gonna see the truth.
We will see exactly what Aston and Honda managed to do over the past week to try and fix some of the vibrations issues. The engine can clearly rev to 13000 rpm +, but can it do it without shaking the battery and other pieces apart? How much is the transmission or double stacking of the battery pack influencing these harmonics? I don't think the engine is more than 25 horsepower off the Audi or Ferrari engines based on the limited running the team did at anywhere close to full power. Only a few days left before we will see if they can turn this motor up at all, or are we going to have to wait until China or even later to see what this package can actually do. Finishing behind Cadillac was not on my bingo card for this team in 2026 for sure...
OTTOMH, vibration sources, types, exacerbators:
ICE - cam train, reciprocating parts, crankshaft, now higher engine speeds (?), hydraulic pump, HP fuel pump
TC - surely not, it would be in pieces
MGUK - humming, whine, rotor imbalance, odd HF interactions btwn stator/rotor/applied fields(?)
MGUK transmission - large on this Honda PU, connects to MGUK within monocoque, cantilevered or mounted at both ends?
ES, control units - humming, whine
Chassis - resonance of a hollow structure, extended engine mounts
PU - Interactions of some or all the above
The ICE general dimensions are identical, so I’d have expected no surprises there. Perhaps solid state electronics can get into runaway/resonant vibration states in these high power density arrangements. New chassis (as in any year) seems to be the elephant in the room.
Engine mounts mentioned earlier in the thread. RBR did have non-integral metallic standoff engine mounts in recent seasons. Potentially source of deflection along with the chassis walls themselves. AMR looks to have the most experimental chassis. Pylon mounted rear suspension, low forward chassis height. What else might they be trying?
The engine power train monocoque package is so tightly pack that any major change in engine PU shape and layout will potentially require a complete redesign of the back end including suspension layout. The only hope I see is for Honda to find a solution to solve the vibration issue. If that is not possible, then 2026 will be a write-off for AMR.
Alot of old stuff in the article that was speculation at one point that now has been resolved. Like the whole CR affair has been resolved to be measuring CR at 130 C. So as of June first, all the teams need to meet that. So I don't think it a good article.
That does not mean the engine front face is on the back of the monocoque
Maybe we're not understanding each other. That yellow highlighted thing screws into the monocoque, also called the driver’s survival cell or carbon tub. The regs require the batteries be inside the survival cell.
On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.
thats what im worried about. and the budget cap causing the problems to persist indefinitely before finally draining hondas ability to bring performance updates when the first disaster is finally fixed. i would say that theres no way a hugely experienced company like honda could ever let something like that happen, but ive seen it happen before. in eerily similar fashion.
oddly it gives me a little hope that it could be partly chassis related. or at least the chassis people, and cowell are there to help. i have very little faith that if its solely a power unit problem, that itll be fixed until they design a completely different PU.
hopefully the honda guy wasnt BSing when he talked about planning to be competitive after the first few races. im gonna need to see it happen
On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.
hopefully the honda guy wasnt BSing when he talked about planning to be competitive after the first few races. im gonna need to see it happen
"BSing?" They just think that based on experience, they figure these things out in that timeline but it isn't a guarantee. They're not gonna put everyone on this. They have people working on multiple sub projects.One of those sub projects is the vibration thing.
That does not mean the engine front face is on the back of the monocoque
Maybe we're not understanding each other. That yellow highlighted thing screws into the monocoque, also called the driver’s survival cell or carbon tub. The regs require the batteries be inside the survival cell.
On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.
hopefully the honda guy wasnt BSing when he talked about planning to be competitive after the first few races. im gonna need to see it happen
"BSing?" They just think that based on experience, they figure these things out in that timeline but it isn't a guarantee. They're not gonna put everyone on this. They have people working on multiple sub projects.One of those sub projects is the vibration thing.
There are many things still unclear concerning AMR, the homologation engine spec, Gearbox and Fuel. We may have a better picture in day or 2, latest by Friday.
Hoping for podiums by Silverstone race. Published in May 2015, more than two months into a desaster that endured at least three years.
I can't take this company seriously by any means.
But I'd be very glad to be wrong.
Yes, as a fan I remember the baseless optimism for years by Honda.
I thought a lot about ADUO and I feel it is too slow and too restrictive even with a temporary lift of the cost cap. I cannot foresee success any time soon whether this year or next.
Hoping for podiums by Silverstone race. Published in May 2015, more than two months into a desaster that endured at least three years.
I can't take this company seriously by any means.
But I'd be very glad to be wrong.
Yes, as a fan I remember the baseless optimism for years by Honda.
I thought a lot about ADUO and I feel it is too slow and too restrictive even with a temporary lift of the cost cap. I cannot foresee success any time soon whether this year or next.
the Aston Honda project is not for the faint hearted .Newey was brought in to shake up the team and bring glory .he is taking risks and pushing the team out of their comfort zone. The car looks very slim compared to others ,its like comparing a runaway model from Europe with a plus size model from America. Honda has took on the challenge too.so despite all the challenges the relationship between the two parties is conflict free and working well according to people from Honda.so i belief it will bear fruit but they will be pain to go through.
Hoping for podiums by Silverstone race. Published in May 2015, more than two months into a desaster that endured at least three years.
I can't take this company seriously by any means.
But I'd be very glad to be wrong.
Yes, as a fan I remember the baseless optimism for years by Honda.
I thought a lot about ADUO and I feel it is too slow and too restrictive even with a temporary lift of the cost cap. I cannot foresee success any time soon whether this year or next.
the Aston Honda project is not for the faint hearted .Newey was brought in to shake up the team and bring glory .he is taking risks and pushing the team out of their comfort zone. The car looks very slim compared to others ,its like comparing a runaway model from Europe with a plus size model from America. Honda has took on the challenge too.so despite all the challenges the relationship between the two parties is conflict free and working well according to people from Honda.so i belief it will bear fruit but they will be pain to go through.
Sadly F1 story showed teams who start a new reg era badly take several seasons to fill the gap and become a contender…
the Aston Honda project is not for the faint hearted .Newey was brought in to shake up the team and bring glory .he is taking risks and pushing the team out of their comfort zone. The car looks very slim compared to others ,its like comparing a runaway model from Europe with a plus size model from America. Honda has took on the challenge too.so despite all the challenges the relationship between the two parties is conflict free and working well according to people from Honda.so i belief it will bear fruit but they will be pain to go through.
Sorry mate, I too wanted AMR26 to be a winning car off-the-blocks and hurt the big-four. However, that post's an overload of copium, not everything can be turned into 'see the silver lining'. The team structure, management, exchange between team and PU supplier, general 'team vibes' -- all down in the doldrums right now. There is only one way to go - "up". But that doesn't mean fantasy-praise is going to help.
