Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

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sectionate wrote:I am expecting to see Rosberg be utterly ruthless in the pursuit of the title, assuming the Merc dominance continues at Austria, the rest of the season is going to be interesting.
Opportunity like this is hard to come by in f1. Nico should be hungrier than Lewis for sure.

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I fully expect Lewis to go on another streak simply because he has to. I think the last 2 races he has been playing it safe, but now that he has another big gap, I think he will throw caution to the wind, because he can't hope for Nico to DNF.
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dans79 wrote:
flynfrog wrote: He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home
Um, that's not exactly true. during the last turbo era f1 had a rule called best results count. Its the reason Senna won the WDC in 88. Senna scored fewer points than Prost, but won the championship because he won more races.

I won't even go into the fact that it was dumb luck Rosberg got the car home.
and we dont race to those rules anymore do we. Rosberg is winning end of story. If it were Lewis limping the car home you would be praising his great race skilzz.

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flynfrog wrote:
dans79 wrote:
flynfrog wrote: He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home
Um, that's not exactly true. during the last turbo era f1 had a rule called best results count. Its the reason Senna won the WDC in 88. Senna scored fewer points than Prost, but won the championship because he won more races.

I won't even go into the fact that it was dumb luck Rosberg got the car home.
and we dont race to those rules anymore do we. Rosberg is winning end of story. If it were Lewis limping the car home you would be praising his great race skilzz.
What, like people are doing with Rosberg?

Getting that car home was a good job, but having the best car anyway certainly helped. And also having Perez seemingly not use his DRS for a good few laps helped too.
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flynfrog wrote:
dans79 wrote:
flynfrog wrote: He did he finished the race. Winning the championship has never been about being faster. you have to bring the car home
Um, that's not exactly true. during the last turbo era f1 had a rule called best results count. Its the reason Senna won the WDC in 88. Senna scored fewer points than Prost, but won the championship because he won more races.

I won't even go into the fact that it was dumb luck Rosberg got the car home.
and we dont race to those rules anymore do we. Rosberg is winning end of story. If it were Lewis limping the car home you would be praising his great race skilzz.
I was specifically responding to your comment about the championship NEVER being about being faster. As I showed, and your response alludes to, at one time it WAS about being faster.
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Pretty sure Senna still had to finish those races he won. I don't have the exact count in front of me but one more DNF would have lost him the championship correct. We dont award the race after qually.
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dans79 wrote:I fully expect Lewis to go on another streak simply because he has to. I think the last 2 races he has been playing it safe, but now that he has another big gap, I think he will throw caution to the wind, because he can't hope for Nico to DNF.
I hope he doesn't start overdriving. So far this year I have been quite impressed how he is racing. He always was fast, but now it seems in a controlled manner. Timing his overtakes, not burning up the rubber, bailing out of an overtake when it becomes too hairy (like in corner two Canada), no questionable defensive moves. I have seen that differently in recent years.

Nico on the other hand seems to be pushing his car and his abilities to the limit. He had already a few close calls. Like the brush with Bottas in Bahrain, almost losing it in Canada (three times), two Q3 excursions. Plus he is on the watchlist of the officials.

Even if Nico doesn't DNF, the difference is just 22 points. We have had 7 races, of these races Lewis has won 4. He was second once and two races he retired from a leading position. If he maintains these kind of statistics (without the DNF's) he is still in control of the championship. If not by outright winning he also seems to be in a position to force Nico in an error.

Of course there is an element of luck involved, but luck you don't change by pushing harder.

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fingers crossed hammy doesnt overdrive :(

He is less in control of his emotions than the other drivers which is good and bad but makes it harder to clinch the title.

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David Coulthard BBC column:
"Hamilton's retirement has given him a lot of work to do in the drivers' championship; he is now 22 points behind Rosberg," Coulthard wrote in his BBC column. "That's not good for him, obviously, but there are two things with which he can reassure himself. "One is that there are double points at the last race. The other is that, while Rosberg is leading the championship, it is fair to say that the stronger driver over the first seven races has been Hamilton." Hamilton must now push on and close the gap again. "If the team are not criticising him for influencing the failures in Melbourne and Montreal - and they are not - then we have to assume he has done nothing wrong. "Hamilton has been the faster, hungrier driver, so he just has to hold it together and keep chipping away."

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dans79 wrote:I fully expect Lewis to go on another streak simply because he has to. I think the last 2 races he has been playing it safe, but now that he has another big gap, I think he will throw caution to the wind, because he can't hope for Nico to DNF.
As a longstanding HAM fan, I think not!!

Bad luck is too rife with Hamilton. The way things has been in the past he has a better chance driving steadily and eking out wins one by one. Reliability withstanding he only needs a fourteen point gap before Abu double. I will be happy with just a slight sprinkling of wins up until then.
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n smikle wrote:
dans79 wrote:I fully expect Lewis to go on another streak simply because he has to. I think the last 2 races he has been playing it safe, but now that he has another big gap, I think he will throw caution to the wind, because he can't hope for Nico to DNF.
As a longstanding HAM fan, I think not!!

Bad luck is too rife with Hamilton. The way things has been in the past he has a better chance driving steadily and eking out wins one by one. Reliability withstanding he only needs a fourteen point gap before Abu double. I will be happy with just a slight sprinkling of wins up until then.
It will be interesting to see how Nico handle's the pressure a DNF will put on him. He has had at-least one every season, a max of 3 in a season and average of 2.4 per season, so he should have one or 2 coming at some point.
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The other interesting thing in the season will be that sooner or later engine failures will cause big grid drops. I can see Vettel start to suffer them within the next 2 races, and the majority of Merc runners in around 8-10 races time.

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That's so. Vettel said this weekend that Red Bull is already on their 4th engines, third turbos, third ERS units and third computer control units. One assumes every other Renault powered team is in a similar situation. And with the woeful performance of Ferrari PU's so far, can things be all that different for the Maranello boys?

Mercedes is clearly superior to the Renault and Ferrari, but this weekend's race shows how fragile ALL the new power units are. We may see a situation in the last 5 races or so where more than half the field is assessed grid spot penalties for missing the PU reliability standards imposed by the regulations.

There could be 6 or more cars taking the start of the races from the pit lane! :shock:
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MOWOG wrote:That's so. Vettel said this weekend that Red Bull is already on their 4th engines, third turbos, third ERS units and third computer control units. One assumes every other Renault powered team is in a similar situation. And with the woeful performance of Ferrari PU's so far, can things be all that different for the Maranello boys?

Mercedes is clearly superior to the Renault and Ferrari, but this weekend's race shows how fragile ALL the new power units are. We may see a situation in the last 5 races or so where more than half the field is assessed grid spot penalties for missing the PU reliability standards imposed by the regulations.

There could be 6 or more cars taking the start of the races from the pit lane! :shock:
I don't think the works Ferraris are in that boat yet. I have no idea about the customer Ferraris.
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Vettel is actually on his 5th control electronics.