Ferrari F10

[sunny_f1]

This reply mainly addresses Islamatron. Ive been an avid reader of this forum for longer than I can remember and always enjoyed reading the posts of every reader and in general enjoyed reading about everyones views.

I never thought I would put up my first post in this fashion, but you guys really pushed me over the brink))

To clarify things Ive been a admirer (not "fanboy") of Ferrari. This is mainly due to factors like their record as a car manufacturer and their contribution to motorsport.

Coming to the point, I think Islamatron is making a very serious accusation by calling ferrari "the biggest cheaters in F1". I sincerely doubt you would be able to substantiate this claim with concrete evidence. I feel most of your arguments are based on conjecture that stems from an apparent hatred for all things Ferrari.

In ferrari's defence this is a sport and like all other sports you try to do all you can to win. Even if it sometimes involves bending the rules. Exploiting a grey area does not make them cheaters. To state the obvious, Renault's mass dampers, Ferrari's flexi floor & nose scoop and Brawn/Toyota/Williams-DDD etc etc all are technical innovations that stemmed from non traditional interpretations of the rules. So how come only Ferrari is the cheater? Did they keep on racing with flexi floors once they were deemed inappropriate?

It seems you have forgotten the very recent past. Renault was caught cheating, Mclaren was caught cheating and also Honda was banned for 2 races for having illegal tanks. And all those teams still remain in F1. Well Honda in another guise.

Ferrari too paid for their mistakes like Schumachers Rascasse incident. He was put to the back of the grid. You may want him to be disqualified from the sport but note that Piquet was granted leniency and allowed to drive in F1 if he chose after crashing to to give an unfair advantage to his team mate.

What I am trying to say is, all teams try in one way or another to be the best. Sometimes they go over the edge and that is when they should pay for it.

In the case you state above they have not gone against any rules. From the way you put it, it seems like the other teams are so scared of Ferrari that dare not voice the fact that Ferrari are cheating (Pun intended!!) All the other teams are free to do the same if they wish. If they do not, they have their reasons.

One more thing, Felipe had a horrible crash last year and I think all the F1 family - fans and teams would agree that it is acceptable to give him time in a car taking into consideration the possible risks involved. I wouldnt want to see him return to competition not knowing he is a 100% and that he can put his and many other drivers lives in danger.

Lastly, I would like to say this. If you do not like the food in a given restaurant do you go there to eat? So if you dont like Ferrari what are you doing insinuating the members who support their team?

If you have constructive criticism it will be welcome. But calling a team "cheaters" based on conjecture is in poor taste and definitely NOT "in the spirit" of this wonderful forum:)

[raceman]

Too much white.

yeh, correct.

[raceman]

This reply mainly addresses Islamatron. Ive been an avid reader of this forum for longer than I can remember and always enjoyed reading the posts of every reader and in general enjoyed reading about everyones views.

I never thought I would put up my first post in this fashion, but you guys really pushed me over the brink))

To clarify things Ive been a admirer (not "fanboy") of Ferrari. This is mainly due to factors like their record as a car manufacturer and their contribution to motorsport.

Coming to the point, I think Islamatron is making a very serious accusation by calling ferrari "the biggest cheaters in F1". I sincerely doubt you would be able to substantiate this claim with concrete evidence. I feel most of your arguments are based on conjecture that stems from an apparent hatred for all things Ferrari.

In ferrari's defence this is a sport and like all other sports you try to do all you can to win. Even if it sometimes involves bending the rules. Exploiting a grey area does not make them cheaters. To state the obvious, Renault's mass dampers, Ferrari's flexi floor & nose scoop and Brawn/Toyota/Williams-DDD etc etc all are technical innovations that stemmed from non traditional interpretations of the rules. So how come only Ferrari is the cheater? Did they keep on racing with flexi floors once they were deemed inappropriate?

It seems you have forgotten the very recent past. Renault was caught cheating, Mclaren was caught cheating and also Honda was banned for 2 races for having illegal tanks. And all those teams still remain in F1. Well Honda in another guise.

Ferrari too paid for their mistakes like Schumachers Rascasse incident. He was put to the back of the grid. You may want him to be disqualified from the sport but note that Piquet was granted leniency and allowed to drive in F1 if he chose after crashing to to give an unfair advantage to his team mate.

What I am trying to say is, all teams try in one way or another to be the best. Sometimes they go over the edge and that is when they should pay for it.

In the case you state above they have not gone against any rules. From the way you put it, it seems like the other teams are so scared of Ferrari that dare not voice the fact that Ferrari are cheating (Pun intended!!) All the other teams are free to do the same if they wish. If they do not, they have their reasons.

One more thing, Felipe had a horrible crash last year and I think all the F1 family - fans and teams would agree that it is acceptable to give him time in a car taking into consideration the possible risks involved. I wouldnt want to see him return to competition not knowing he is a 100% and that he can put his and many other drivers lives in danger.

Lastly, I would like to say this. If you do not like the food in a given restaurant do you go there to eat? So if you dont like Ferrari what are you doing insinuating the members who support their team?

If you have constructive criticism it will be welcome. But calling a team "cheaters" based on conjecture is in poor taste and definitely NOT "in the spirit" of this wonderful forum:)

+100

simply wonderful reply!


pls, learn!

[jddh1]

Hi sunny_f1. First, welcome to our forum. As you say, you've been reading along for some time, so the welcome is for sharing with us your thoughts. It's a very well written argument and I would encourage you to post some more in the future.

If you have constructive criticism it will be welcome. But calling a team "cheaters" based on conjecture is in poor taste and definitely NOT "in the spirit" of this wonderful forum:)

Now, we all know here that ISLAMATRON just bashes anything red in sight. We, Ferrari fans and a lot of others, have learnt to not bother with his opinions any longer. We just let him run around kicking and screaming while we discuss more important things.

[Astro1]

Montmelò, 21 January 2010 – At the end of the two days of the test sessions with Valentino Rossi on the Montmelò circuit, he had more than 600 kilometres on the clock. After today’s wet opening, just like yesterday, which complicated the start, the test dedicated to the Champion from Tavullia with the F2008, provided by Maranello’s F1 Clienti department, was concluded with great results to the utmost satisfaction of the team.

Valentino was extremely happy with his lap time of 1.21.900, clocked on the penultimate lap, almost over the time limit the team was allowed to use the Catalan track: “We kept the last three quarters of an hour to try a ‘time attack’ with little petrol and fresh tyres. I would have given anything for such a lap time.” Rossi said that he had much more fun compared to his last experience in Mugello in November 2008. “It’s more fun here, because it’s a little bit easier. It’s more effort in Mugello, but this track here is really wonderful, with motorbikes and cars, although I have to say that turn 10 is a little tight (the one with the spins) and you’re braking much later.”

Luca Baldisserri commented on the “Doctor’s” adventure positively: “We tried different set ups and he improved a lot: this means that the driver learns quickly and has room for improvement.” Before Valentino left the track he wanted to thank the whole team: “I want to thank Ferrari, but especially Domenicali and Montezemolo, for giving me this present.”

[ernos5]

Valentino was extremely happy with his lap time of 1.21.900, clocked on the penultimate lap, almost over the time limit the team was allowed to use the Catalan track

What does that mean? They can't lap the circuit under a certain time? and if not, for what reason?

[marcush.]

Valentino was extremely happy with his lap time of 1.21.900, clocked on the penultimate lap, almost over the time limit the team was allowed to use the Catalan track

What does that mean? They can't lap the circuit under a certain time? and if not, for what reason?

it was too late in the day ...siesta was looming ...or simply the ambulance guys had the end of their shift ,and this basically ends your day.

[ringo]

Too much white.

yeh, correct.

What kind of kicks are those, driving or basketball?
They look cool though.

[astracrazy]

I don't like the new livery either

[allan]

not really a new livery. It's the same one from 2000-2006.

[Astro1]

Looks like Massa put another 400km on top of Rossi's 600km on that Ferrari.

It was a perfect way to optimize my form here in Barcelona. I’m really happy that I had this new opportunity to get behind the wheel of a Formula 1 single-seater on a race track. I can’t wait to sit in the new car and get stuck in.”

Looks like Ferrari are putting that 056 through its paces. Nothing that isn't allowed under the current regulations for the Ferrari spiteful.

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2010/01/22/fe ... 8-ferrari/

[donskar]

LOTSA SNIPPIN.

Islam is not a fanboy: a fanboy (in my definition) is someone that blindly supports a team.

Thank you for your comments. Insightful. Intelligent. Tactful. And LONG overdue.

I focused on one part of your post, quoted above. Fanboys are not to be emulated (IMHO), but one might propose that their excesses are driven from a sort of love for a particular team (or driver, too, I think).

But if Fanboys exhibit an excess of sophmoric love, then there is another group, the opposite of fanboys, who blindly attack a team (or driver). I find that type detestable, because their driving emotion is not love, but hate, pure, blind hate.

[andartop]

I, for once, agree with Islamatron. Ferrari are the biggest cheaters in F1. I've always supported the view that in F1 any team would cheat given half a chance; so it's simply a matter of maths, as Ferrari have been around longer than all other teams it makes sense that they've had more chances!

Then you have McLaren who are the worst cheaters in F1, what with the spygate, liegate and what-have-you-Lewis-gate. They just can't seem to understand that when you cheat you should not get caught, but if you do it's better not to lie about it..I guess that qualifies them for the biggest liars as well.

Torro Rosso and Super Aguri come next IMHO, as the most blatant cheaters: they competed with someone else's car for crying out loud, and that was ok just because they didn't (and wouldn't) win any championships.

The DDD trio should be awarded for being the smartest cheaters, as they actually convinced the FIA (I know, it's a long discussion) that the way they cheated was legal.
Two of the three though, Honda and Toyota, used to be quite foolish cheaters, ie with their flexi-wings ("our testing machinery's fault!") and hidden fuel tanks..(seriously now, they thought they'd get away with that)???

Renault without doubt can easily be considered the most cunning cheaters with the crashgate: people keep underestimating how devilish this scenario was in its conception and how nicely the whole universe conspired so that it worked out for them. I bet even they did not expect to actually win that race.

It just goes on and on, and if we start discussing drivers and team managers you can easily write a book about cheating in F1 thick as a print version of wikipedia.

But as a closing comment, what I find most unbelievable is that there are still some people out there so pure and naive (or just anti-fanboys according to Ciro's definition) who are genuinely "shocked" (or pretend to be shocked like a "virgin" prostitute) every time cheating in F1 comes to light...

[ringo]

Looks like Massa put another 400km on top of Rossi's 600km on that Ferrari.

It was a perfect way to optimize my form here in Barcelona. I’m really happy that I had this new opportunity to get behind the wheel of a Formula 1 single-seater on a race track. I can’t wait to sit in the new car and get stuck in.”

Looks like Ferrari are putting that 056 through its paces. Nothing that isn't allowed under the current regulations for the Ferrari spiteful.

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2010/01/22/fe ... 8-ferrari/

That's a lot of mileage there. If one were to be cynical, it would be pretty easy to suspect that something is going on under those engine covers..

Shumacher's GP2 test was similarly lengthy because the car was being evaluated. Rossi's test was supposed to be a gift, or joy ride, strangely it was a pretty intense for an exhibition.
Maybe there was some evaluation going on, who knows?

[Pandamasque]

Shumacher's GP2 test was similarly lengthy because the car was being evaluated. Rossi's test was supposed to be a gift, or joy ride, strangely it was a pretty intense for an exhibition.
Maybe there was some evaluation going on, who knows?

I hope you're not suggesting that MS is about to step away to GP2 to leave his ride for the Doctor?