Mate, didn't you say yesterday that you were signing off for the season?McMika98 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 23:01Granted the chassis isnt quite Merc level but it is clearly better than Renault yet both cars were ahead of Gasly who was on similar startegy.
This year we have two teams to get extra data, what is coincidental so far is on power tracks all Honda cars suffer. I would rather an engine upgrade asap.
So my own opinion is at the moment RBR are running little more RW to address low traction and not enough DF at rear. This creates more drag and Honda power deficit looks a little bit more than it actually is. From the beginning of the year RBR can`t do what they`ve done recent years with Reno engine - run less RW and compensate power deficit. If they have major aero upgrade at France i think they will address this issue. This will trigger chain reaction in car performance and gains can be massive (more traction in corner exit, more speed on straight, etc.). We saw in Monaco and Canada that Max needed just a little bit more power and traction to overtake Ham in Monaco and Bottas in Canada. If RBR can battle Mercs this will be massive gain in overall performance.
Yes, maybe you are right. Binotto said that, just like Bahrain, in Canada, the balance of work was shifted to the rear wheels, which is why Ferrari was strong on these tracks and that is why Red Bull was weak. Red Bull has not very good starts and a slow way out of the turn. And since the beginning of the season, they complain about the balance of the back of the car. I watched Bahrain telemetry, Max lost to Maclaren at the exit of the turn, when need work by throttle.IvailoStefanovBG wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 08:02So my own opinion is at the moment RBR are running little more RW to address low traction and not enough DF at rear. This creates more drag and Honda power deficit looks a little bit more than it actually is. From the beginning of the year RBR can`t do what they`ve done recent years with Reno engine - run less RW and compensate power deficit. If they have major aero upgrade at France i think they will address this issue. This will trigger chain reaction in car performance and gains can be massive (more traction in corner exit, more speed on straight, etc.). We saw in Monaco and Canada that Max needed just a little bit more power and traction to overtake Ham in Monaco and Bottas in Canada. If RBR can battle Mercs this will be massive gain in overall performance.
I also think RBR must give Max a champion car till the end of the season or he will drive Mercedes next year.
Can that rear issue be because of different Engine layout of Renault and Honda ? There is structural difference, cog and weight difference. Maybe They have to have a closer look of mercedes rear ( not so easy) as engine looks like Mercedes EngineKelsO wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 09:26
Yes, maybe you are right. Binotto said that, just like Bahrain, in Canada, the balance of work was shifted to the rear wheels, which is why Ferrari was strong on these tracks and that is why Red Bull was weak. Red Bull has not very good starts and a slow way out of the turn. And since the beginning of the season, they complain about the balance of the back of the car. I watched Bahrain telemetry, Max lost to Maclaren at the exit of the turn, when need work by throttle.
I thinked about this. But Red Bull is too smart to go wrong with weight balance. On the other hand, why did Mercedes increase the chassis length in 2017? Maybe the engine demanded more and more air ducts (we see how Honda made them more) and they were forced to increase the length of the chassis? hmm interesting. But if Red Bull has this problem, wouldn't they be good at overclocking? This is a difficult question, because we don't know what Red Bull has changed for the PU Honda ... suspension attachment points? Mclaren changed the suspension, after the transition to Renault.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
I am also wondering about the Red Bull changes. Fact is, this car has problems with mechanical grip at its rear end since the beginning.KelsO wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 10:25Fresh news from Honda (not officially)https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
McMika98 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 23:01
Granted the chassis isnt quite Merc level but it is clearly better than Renault yet both cars were ahead of Gasly who was on similar startegy.
This year we have two teams to get extra data, what is coincidental so far is on power tracks all Honda cars suffer. I would rather an engine upgrade asap.
Gasly: “It was a pretty difficult day but the car actually felt quite good so it is disappointing to finish where we did. We expected to be stronger than this. With the heat, we just had to save the engine, brakes and that just made the whole race difficult. We struggled with traffic and had to save the brakes, which compromised us a bit, and I of course wanted to finish better than this.”
good news thisKelsO wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 10:25Fresh news from Honda (not officially)https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
So, that will be the last penalty free PU? And then next update is expected in Sochi just before Japan I guessloner wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 14:07good news thisKelsO wrote: ↑11 Jun 2019, 10:25Fresh news from Honda (not officially)https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/57210694 ... 15/page-74The Japanese supplier is coming for the second time this season with an improved power source, which should give Red Bull more power. That happened before for race four in Baku, and now at Grand Prix number eight on Paul Ricard.
In addition to the engine upgrade, Red Bull itself also comes with a number of updates to the car.
