2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
Max was faster in the medium and hard stint. Though much of Oscar's slow pace at the end of hard stint was getting stuck in traffic/backmarkers

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After Bahrain I have to be happy with P2. Good race on both tyres. Maybe now we can fight. Max is 12 points down on Piastri now after round 5. Better then I expected.

The penalty was fair, if Max would let Piastri I think he would destroy his tyres in the first stint. The results would probably be the same. This was a race when start was crucial. But the real test comes in Miami, which has very high tracks temperatures.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
pace was practically equal to Oscar, lots of question marks obviously: how much Oscar was pushing, how much was down to the track, how much to the upgrades. We'll see in a hot Miami where we are.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
He was a little faster at the end. From 4.8 to 2.8 in the last 5 laps.

Clearly, the race was lost at the start. The McLaren has much better traction at the start and was on the inside starting P2. This season the RB is weak at starting.

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organic wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:58
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
Max was faster in the medium and hard stint. Though much of Oscar's slow pace at the end was getting stuck in traffic/backmarkers
Exactly, Mclaren does seem to suffer the most in anyone’s dirty air. He lost a lot of time behind Stroll.
Oscar showed what he on the last lap but it was only a tenth or 2.
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Sergej wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:00
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
pace was practically equal to Oscar, lots of question marks obviously: how much Oscar was pushing, how much was down to the track, how much to the upgrades. We'll see in a hot Miami where we are.
Hot Miami

But supposedly (big supposed) we could bring new suspension parts (according to Obbs) and the McLaren-inspired cake tins (according to Autoracer, although maybe Autoracer thinks they'll come to Imola and I am misremembering). Together that should probably be aimed to improve tyre temp management. I've given up on being cautious so I'll just be optimistic now.

Additionally, Miami was a front graining limitation last year which should be less favourable for McLaren than let's say Bahrain
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CjC wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:01
organic wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:58
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
Max was faster in the medium and hard stint. Though much of Oscar's slow pace at the end was getting stuck in traffic/backmarkers
Exactly, Mclaren does seem to suffer the most in anyone’s dirty air. He lost a lot of time behind Stroll.
Oscar showed what he on the last lap but it was only a tenth or 2.
He was also a bit panicking when he got 3sec behind Norris, they had to pit Norris a litlle early as Piastri was getting troubled by the dirty air 3 seconds behind.

At the interview he said that Verstappen was much closer that they hoped he would be.

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Verstappen and Russell are keeping it close enough that the flexi wing clampdown in Spain might not be too late for them to mount a championship challenge.

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organic wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:01
Sergej wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:00
AR3-GP wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:55
I missed the last half of the race. Sounds like it got closer?
pace was practically equal to Oscar, lots of question marks obviously: how much Oscar was pushing, how much was down to the track, how much to the upgrades. We'll see in a hot Miami where we are.
Hot Miami

But supposedly (big supposed) we could bring new suspension parts (according to Obbs) and the McLaren-inspired cake tins. Together that should probably be aimed to improve tyre temp management. I've given up on being cautious so I'll just be optimistic now.

Additionally, Miami was a front graining limitation last year which should be less favourable for McLaren than let's say Bahrain
be careful ! :mrgreen:

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bananapeel23 wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:03
Verstappen and Russell are keeping it close enough that the flexi wing clampdown in Spain might not be too late for them to mount a championship challenge.
I am surprised George is the one who is expecting them to get closer to McLaren after Spain, considering how flexible their (Mercedes) entire car is ...
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Emag wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:06
bananapeel23 wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:03
Verstappen and Russell are keeping it close enough that the flexi wing clampdown in Spain might not be too late for them to mount a championship challenge.
I am surprised George is the one who is expecting them to get closer to McLaren after Spain, considering how flexible their (Mercedes) entire car is ...
Agree both Mclaren and Mercedes will probably lose some speed after Barcelona. This could change the season. We have 19 more races, more than 500 points are still available. Season is very long. If we could keep within 25 points of the leading Mclaren driver until Barcelona it would be a job very well done. And after that we will see maybe we have a chance. It's a marathon not a sprint.

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organic wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 20:28
Let's see what happens with further upgrades. If the overheating is controlled by the Miami step it can be a championship fight. So far the damage limitation is good
I think the updates this week definitely helped, RB21 has had the worst deg out of the top 4 this season, so to see MAX hold on to the tires better than PIA and MERC was encouraging, I think LEC and NOR had similar tire wear though.

If that TD puts even a slight dent in MCLs pace and RB sorts out their tire overheating with that new cake tin update this season will get very exciting.

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Emag wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:06
bananapeel23 wrote:
20 Apr 2025, 21:03
Verstappen and Russell are keeping it close enough that the flexi wing clampdown in Spain might not be too late for them to mount a championship challenge.
I am surprised George is the one who is expecting them to get closer to McLaren after Spain, considering how flexible their (Mercedes) entire car is ...
MERC is very flexible but in pure laptime MCL might still benefit more, as they have run these flexi wings the longest and have mastered setting up the car with perfect balance using them. Inversely RB have spent the most amount of time balancing the car without flexi aero, so that TD will probably make set ups a bit easier for RB and harder for others.

Also, almost all teams will have to change their floors as that TD will affect how the air flows into the front tunnels, so there is potential for huge shifts.

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Gary Anderson has perplexed me with his view here:

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/our- ... e-annoyed/

A 5 second penalty out of the blue?? Was he not watching the end of last season?

What do you guys make of his opinion?
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