2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Horner on the lightweight chassis:
Lightweight chassis

Although Horner dismissed the idea of Red Bull having introducing a lightweight chassis for Spa, he was coy on the possibility of the team working on such a plan.

Red Bull has battled against the minimum weight limit all season, but has been able to make solid progress to get within a few kilogrammes of where it ideally wanted to be.

Asked about the possibility of Red Bull bringing a lighter chassis in the next two or three races – with Singapore having been singled out as a possible point to debut it – Horner was very careful with his words.

“There's no...these chassis will run for the next few races,” he said.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-b ... /10359977/

Sounds like they could well be seen at Singapore

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organic wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 11:43
Horner on the lightweight chassis:
Lightweight chassis

Although Horner dismissed the idea of Red Bull having introducing a lightweight chassis for Spa, he was coy on the possibility of the team working on such a plan.

Red Bull has battled against the minimum weight limit all season, but has been able to make solid progress to get within a few kilogrammes of where it ideally wanted to be.

Asked about the possibility of Red Bull bringing a lighter chassis in the next two or three races – with Singapore having been singled out as a possible point to debut it – Horner was very careful with his words.

“There's no...these chassis will run for the next few races,” he said.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-b ... /10359977/

Sounds like they could well be seen at Singapore
Interesting about the “ride height compromises”. I’m guessing it will not be possible to run the car very low at Zandvoort either, with the banked carousel corner.

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This was amazing. Thanks to Honda for the huge upgraded ERS system!

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Seems RB-Porsche isn't a done deal by any stretch. Honda could be back in if the porsche deal doesn't go through. Sure, it's most likely to be bluffing/posturing by RB since they now hold all the cards (Porsche need to announce entry by September 11 due to their IPO rules - trying to go public)

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organic wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 12:08
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... engigkeit/

Seems RB-Porsche isn't a done deal by any stretch. Honda could be back in if the porsche deal doesn't go through. Sure, it's most likely to be bluffing/posturing by RB since they now hold all the cards (Porsche need to announce entry by September 11 due to their IPO rules - trying to go public)
I don't know what is the significance of Porsche to Red Bull, unless RBPT wants a customer and Porsche comes in as a customer and not as any kind of partner. Honda is still a much better prospective for Red Bull, having enabled RB to become winners again. I hope Porsche isn't going to be a disruptive evil for Red Bull.

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RS200E wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 13:34
...gloat when the remnants of a Honda engine team start to do well.
Mate, you're doing it wrong, you're supposed to call them a drinks company. Are you new here?
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RS200E wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 13:34
Could be worse, I could be a glory follower like you who only comes to gloat when the remnants of a Honda engine team start to do well.
Spotted the Mclaren fan still seething about their failed honda era. Not like things have improved lately...

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Not much to read into it, but I was listening to Zhou's radio at the end of the race. He said his battery was finished on the last laps and he seemed confused how Yuki had more pace than him. If Zhou and Yuki took the new spec parts, I think we have our answer about whether Honda brought an update or not.
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Maybe the new ERS is a monster and RB are like.. hang on a second Honda :lol:

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kediown wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 15:43
Not much to read into it, but I was listening to Zhou's radio at the end of the race. He said his battery was finished on the last laps and he seemed confused how Yuki had more pace than him. If Zhou and Yuki took the new spec parts, I think we have our answer about whether Honda brought an update or not.
They are in different teams though, one is Ferrari powered…
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Stu wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 18:31
kediown wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 15:43
Not much to read into it, but I was listening to Zhou's radio at the end of the race. He said his battery was finished on the last laps and he seemed confused how Yuki had more pace than him. If Zhou and Yuki took the new spec parts, I think we have our answer about whether Honda brought an update or not.
They are in different teams though, one is Ferrari powered…
That is correct. But if Zhou had new spec Ferrari parts, that could mean they could close up to Honda's battery. But if the gap is still that big, we could think of Honda brought new specs as well.

Though, as I said above, we can't read much into it. Just a speculation

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organic wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 11:43
Horner on the lightweight chassis:
Lightweight chassis

Although Horner dismissed the idea of Red Bull having introducing a lightweight chassis for Spa, he was coy on the possibility of the team working on such a plan.

Red Bull has battled against the minimum weight limit all season, but has been able to make solid progress to get within a few kilogrammes of where it ideally wanted to be.

Asked about the possibility of Red Bull bringing a lighter chassis in the next two or three races – with Singapore having been singled out as a possible point to debut it – Horner was very careful with his words.

“There's no...these chassis will run for the next few races,” he said.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/red-b ... /10359977/

Sounds like they could well be seen at Singapore
I think that this is consistent with what Horner said from the very beginning. He said that updates would only be introduced at the points in which the existing parts reached their life cycle. The final chassis upgrade will simply go in place for the final few GPs. If they were to introduce this in Spa, they would need not 2-3 of the lightweight chassis, but 4-6 of them for the last 9 GPs. I assume the life cycle of a chassis is less than 9 GPs.
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It's in RB best interest to be coy about the upgrades they bring. Rivals will be keen to know and of course look for opportunities to protest or raise doubt of compliance. That being said the RedBull bodywork was significantly different from the halo and side impact structure back. The sidepods kink is now slightly forward. The cooling requirements or ancillaries placement may have changed as could the CoG or center of forward-rearward balance. Max was also instructed to lift and coast toward the end of the race so there probably was some margin for error or assurance they needed to consider.
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Or they could have been saving some of the PU. Even Perez was in cruise mode I believe
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organic wrote:
29 Aug 2022, 16:21


Maybe the new ERS is a monster and RB are like.. hang on a second Honda :lol:
I think Lawro Barretto is wrong, Red Bull (Horner in Sky's Brundle interview from this summer) have been talking about soon running a single cylinder prototyp. Not even an entire engine, let alone a full PU.