2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[PackFansXL]

They also turned down the engine at some point, or at least recovery portion of it.

How do you know this info?

Would you mind a link to the source for data files you and others on this site seem to be using?

[AR3-GP]

They also turned down the engine at some point, or at least recovery portion of it.

How do you know this info?

Would you mind a link to the source for data files you and others on this site seem to be using?

Usually you hear it on the team radio. The strat modes are the PU deployment modes. After overtaking Piastri, Max asked the team if they wanted to change strat mode.

[PackFansXL]

Thanks, AR3!

[Juzh]

They also turned down the engine at some point, or at least recovery portion of it.

How do you know this info?

Would you mind a link to the source for data files you and others on this site seem to be using?

I look at speed on straights and also follow mini sector times with official f1tv app or f1 multiviewer, then i look for patterns over multiple laps. For example in the beginning Ver was gaining 3 tenths on oscar on back straight, then on lap 11 gap would stay the same on that stretch. Not rock solid assessments obviously (i know) but it's how I interpret things. RB has a habit of turning down engines when conditions suit them.

edit. and team radio feed, naturally.

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No engine penalty at spa is a good sign that the engine tuning is working well

But spa is earlier in the calendar than most usually take engine penalties, so we'll see at Monza or even later if any will be required

[PackFansXL]

Aston Martin, Red Bull'dan önemli bir isimle anlaştı
Aston Martin son olarak Red Bull'da görev alan aerodinami uzmanı Thijs van Rees ile anlaştı.

https://tr.motorsport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10500651/

Translated:

Aston Martin signs key Red Bull name

Aston Martin has recently signed with Red Bull aerodynamic specialist Thijs van Rees.

Aston Martin declined to comment on the matter, but sources have confirmed that Red Bull's senior aerodynamic engineer,
Thijs van Rees, has gone to Aston Martin.

Thijs van Rees will take on the new "chief aerodynamicist" position at Aston Martin.

Looking at Van Rees' past, it can be clearly seen that he has been involved in big teams for a long time.

Van Rees worked at Williams Racing between 2013-16, and at Mercedes between 2017-20 and most recently at Red Bull.

Aston Martin's new transfer has started his new position as of July.

According to SoyMotor's report, Van Rees will replace Guru Johl, chief of aerodynamics, who has agreed to move to AlphaTauri.

Johl has been with Aston Martin/Racing Point/Force India since 2015 but will join AlphaTauri as of next season.

Interestingly, the times that Van Rees worked often coincided with the times when those teams were in their heyday in F1.

This makes him stand out as a successful aerodynamicist.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2CeBl3WAAE ... name=small

I know Newey is fantastic but do any RB fans worry about what the impact of Van Rees' departure to Aston Martin will mean for next season and beyond? If the FIA equalizes engine performance and essentially hybrid performance, then the only real distinction will be aero and weight.

[Sieper]

Nothing can be done. People will always get headhunted. You are now the nr1 team so a prime target.

[AR3-GP]

I know Newey is fantastic but do any RB fans worry about what the impact of Van Rees' departure to Aston Martin will mean for next season and beyond? If the FIA equalizes engine performance and essentially hybrid performance, then the only real distinction will be aero and weight.

The only decision under consideration regarding the PUs is allowing the Renault engine to catch up. It's not a free for all for everyone else to make changes.

[Juzh]

I know Newey is fantastic but do any RB fans worry about what the impact of Van Rees' departure to Aston Martin will mean for next season and beyond? If the FIA equalizes engine performance and essentially hybrid performance, then the only real distinction will be aero and weight.

The only decision under consideration regarding the PUs is allowing the Renault engine to catch up. It's not a free for all for everyone else to make changes.

Apparently instead of developing renault wanted a simple fuel flow increase for them. That was never going to fly if true.

[AR3-GP]

Wait to see if the race comes back to us. The figures I see show about 5kph slower than RedBull, others including Ferrari have opted for less drag. Do we really think with our limited data we know better how to setup the car? The team has earned our respect.

In sprint quali (ie no drs activations) the top speeds are as follows:

I don't understand how there can be a 3km/h difference between the two RBs. That's significant.

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Wait to see if the race comes back to us. The figures I see show about 5kph slower than RedBull, others including Ferrari have opted for less drag. Do we really think with our limited data we know better how to setup the car? The team has earned our respect.

In sprint quali (ie no drs activations) the top speeds are as follows:

https://i.imgur.com/3BrMHV8.png

I don't understand how there can be a 3km/h difference between the two RBs. That's significant.

I can think of couple possibilities:

Perez opted for a lot less front wing which can cause changes in top speed, especially if a different spec (not just changed flap angle).

Or the moment at which Perez recorded the higher top speed was with a tow

I'll look at the data and see if perez's 320 was consistent.

Looks like Perez had a couple km/h advantage over max at each stage of qualifying at end of kemmel straight

[PackFansXL]

I know Newey is fantastic but do any RB fans worry about what the impact of Van Rees' departure to Aston Martin will mean for next season and beyond? If the FIA equalizes engine performance and essentially hybrid performance, then the only real distinction will be aero and weight.

The only decision under consideration regarding the PUs is allowing the Renault engine to catch up. It's not a free for all for everyone else to make changes.

I understand this but if the PUs are essentially equivalent and the electrical side is essentially equivalent, then the only opportunity for innovation is aero and weight under the new rules. With active aero on the table, this guy could be a great equalizer for the AM team.

[TNTHead]

I know Newey is fantastic but do any RB fans worry about what the impact of Van Rees' departure to Aston Martin will mean for next season and beyond? If the FIA equalizes engine performance and essentially hybrid performance, then the only real distinction will be aero and weight.

The only decision under consideration regarding the PUs is allowing the Renault engine to catch up. It's not a free for all for everyone else to make changes.

I understand this but if the PUs are essentially equivalent and the electrical side is essentially equivalent, then the only opportunity for innovation is aero and weight under the new rules. With active aero on the table, this guy could be a great equalizer for the AM team.

Convergence of pace is normally taking place during the years after introduction of a new ruleset. With RB employees spread over the teams that process is may be a bit accelerated. But imho still it would be difficult to surpass the leading team since they can work on the pace they have and find improvements, although the increments will be smaller (law of diminishing returns).

[avantman]

Wait to see if the race comes back to us. The figures I see show about 5kph slower than RedBull, others including Ferrari have opted for less drag. Do we really think with our limited data we know better how to setup the car? The team has earned our respect.

In sprint quali (ie no drs activations) the top speeds are as follows:

I don't understand how there can be a 3km/h difference between the two RBs. That's significant.

Perez was quite closely behind Leclerc in his tow on his second fast lap in Q3.

[Juzh]

some explanation on perez/verstappen top speed difference:

On first Q3 lap perez had 315 kmh, Max 314 kmh, but still it seemed perez gains a kmh or two more quickly. Still not a big difference, we've seen this discrepancy for many many races now. Perez is almost always somewhere around 1-2-3 kmh faster for whatever reason.

Perez then did a slow lap and then another 2 consecutive fast laps and had some slipstream on both. First one was the one when he got blocked in bus stop and then he had a big slipstream from leclerc = 320 kmh.
Verstappen's final lap that got him sprint pole had almost zero slipstream (1 car at like 3-4s ahead), maybe worth 1 extra kmh = 316 kmh.