2014 season - Ugliest noses ever?

[i70q7m7ghw]

Air to the rear to feed what? We don't have blown diffusers, or double deck diffusers, or a beam wing etc.

Well, feeding air to the other 95% of the car that isn't the front wing would be an idea...

So what about 2008? I guess the rear of the car was in a persistent vacuum? I just don't see where you guys think down force is going to magically appear from...

[i70q7m7ghw]

Well i think with the Fact that we don't have blown Diffusers any more it's even more crucial to get as much Air as possible to the rear End to make up for the Exhaust blowing.

So i too think we won't see much BGP Noses.

Why do you think this? How do you expect the additional airflow to be utilised? How will airflow be used to replace exhaust blowing?

[henra]

Air to the rear to feed what? We don't have blown diffusers, or double deck diffusers, or a beam wing etc.

To feed the diffuser?
Which will become even more important next year.
A good EBD even allows you to reduce reliance on airflow coming from the front, especially the 2011 direct Version.

Next year watch Teams trying to emulate EBD by getting energised airflow from the front to the edge of the diffuser.

Re Noses pre-2009:
Pre 2009 they were battling for each pound of front DF.
Since then it has been a constant battle for rear DF.
In 2009 you could still afford a BGP01 nose due to the DDD.
Guess why the droop noses disappeared ever since...

[Lightspeedrt]

I was having a bit of a play, my knowledge of the 2014 rules are pretty limited in regards to height of the actual wing so its a bit off here. Is there any reason teams wouldn't go to the pelican nose like what force india is currently running?




I don't really think it looks that bad.

Credit to blanchimont for giving me the dimensions of the base file.

[Sevach]

Modesty panels are still allowed right?
If so perhaps teams could make the nose tip higher than the rules dictate and do a pelican design to envelope the actual structural nose.

Ferrari already did something in that sense with the F138 (using the modesty panel to get a higher nose).

[turbof1]

The eventual tip still has to be low; either a structural nose tip or a vanity nose tip isn't going to matter in any way. Both will still block airflow the same way.

[Leon]

is there a possibility within the new rules to implement fw26 "walrus" style nose?

[turbof1]

Not sure. Rules have changed. Aside that: why? The pylons aren't considered as the nose. You would still end up with the same problem.

[Hail22]

Spotted this online of what is believed to be Scarbs mockup of what a 2014 RB "may" look like:

[Blackout]

''2014 design'' thread, from page 43 to the last page
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... &start=630

[Hail22]

''2014 design'' thread, from page 43 to the last page
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... &start=630

Well spotted, I'll need to take a look in that sub thread now quite a few interesting posts!

[henra]

is there a possibility within the new rules to implement fw26 "walrus" style nose?

No.
The version from @Scarbs is as close to the walrus as you can get within the rules.

[Thunder]

Well spotted, luckily I managed to find the full version of it, just wish I could find a larger resolution for everyone to give their opinion / view on it. I'm craving tech talk!

That would be Page 48 of the same Thread.

[Hail22]

Well spotted, luckily I managed to find the full version of it, just wish I could find a larger resolution for everyone to give their opinion / view on it. I'm craving tech talk!

That would be Page 48 of the same Thread.

*bonks myself on the head*

Thanks, I should note to myself not to read up pages whilst on my phablet.

*edited above post*

If they cannot go the walrus way, could teams possibly go for the Mclaren style nose from 2007/08 with the dipped nose?

[Tim.Wright]

I think its pretty clear which direction Red Bull will go: