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selvam_e2002 wrote:
28 Aug 2021, 18:12
Why so silent here? Is Mercedes gambled not to go with full wet? Hence Russel in front or it is raw talent from Russel. It is very surprise Russel in front of Hamilton
Williams carrying a big rear wing meaning more downforce. If it rains in the race, it'll be good Russell. If it dries up, the Mercedes will be much quicker.

Plus Russell is very, very good at putting in stellar qualifying laps.
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1m0bius1 wrote:
29 Aug 2021, 02:25
Can we expect George to assist Hamilton here?
Absolutely yes, he want this contract.

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Man, Mercedes really should have done a full wet set up. lol the only thing that would save them is the race moving to a dry tomorrow (if there is sunshine). Highly unlikely though.

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The race is over! worst ever race in F1. No drive and got points. Worst decision!

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Zanvoort is next and I think it will suit the car well.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/58379620

Lewis Hamilton: Belgian Grand Prix was 'a farce'

By Andrew Benson
Chief F1 writer

Lewis Hamilton has criticised the aborted Belgian Grand Prix as "a farce" and accused Formula 1 of cynicism in the way it ran the rain-hit race.

Hamilton said drivers were sent out for two laps behind the safety car solely to secure an official result.

Writing on Instagram, he said: "We should have called it quits, not risked drivers and most importantly refunded fans who are the heart of our sport."

He added: "There was no moment today when we would have been able to race."

F1 rules dictate the field must complete two racing laps for points to be awarded.

Hamilton said on Sky: "Money talks. It was literally the two laps to start the race. The sport made a bad choice today."

Hamilton agreed conditions made it impossible to hold the race because of poor visibility on the high-speed track, but he said there was no reason to send the cars out again because conditions had not improved.

The race was delayed by half an hour from its scheduled start time at 14:00 BST. The drivers then completed two laps at 14:30 BST before being called back to the pits.

There was then a delay of nearly three hours before two more laps were run behind the safety car at 17:17 BST, after which the race was called off.

Governing body the FIA rejected Hamilton's claims, saying the plan was to do everything possible to try to run a race, with no other considerations.

Race director Michael Masi said the cars were sent out the final time "to see what the conditions were like".

He added: "We were all aiming for a window that we thought was there. There was a weather band where we thought we could get some racing in. But you have all seen how rapidly the weather changes at this venue and the weather deteriorated so rapidly that we couldn't."

F1 said in a statement that it was "disappointed for all the fans at the track and at home", adding: "The weather conditions unfortunately did not improve sufficiently to complete more laps."

Hamilton likened the situation to last year's cancelled Australian Grand Prix, when F1 flew to Melbourne as the coronavirus pandemic exploded across the world.

Hours before the Australian event was cancelled, Hamilton expressed his "shock" that the sport was holding the race and when asked why, he replied: "Cash is king."

On Sunday, he said in the official news conference in Belgium: "Us being in Melbourne last year, there are some similarities to how today's gone down, but at least everyone's safe.

"I don't know all the politics in the background, but my biggest concern is the fans probably should get their money back and, I don't know if, by doing those two laps means they don't. We have better values than that as a sport."

McLaren Racing chief executive officer Zak Brown said F1 needed to "review" the situation and added: "We need a better solution as a sport.

"I don't think anyone would say today it felt right calling that a race."

The rules say half points are awarded if at least two laps and less than 75% race distance are completed.

Red Bull's Max Verstappen was declared winner of the race ahead of Williams driver George Russell and Hamilton. Verstappen cut Hamilton's championship lead to three points and Russell scored his first podium finish as a result of his remarkable performance in finishing second in qualifying on Saturday.


Question marks over the awards of points
Two-time world champion Fernando Alonso said it was wrong to award points when there had been no racing.

"For some of them it was a little bit of an early Christmas," he said, "because there were some gifts given today with some people, because we didn't race but you still get the position and the points. It is a little bit shocking."

Aston Martin's Sebastian Vettel, who was fifth, was one of a number of other drivers who agreed. "It obviously was no race so we should not have points", the German added, adding that receiving points felt "really odd".

Alonso was one of many drivers to express their sympathy for the fans, who were out for hours in terrible weather and did not see a grand prix.

"It is sad for the people," he said. "With this weather they have been always supporting and, after this pandemic, now to see them is so nice and when you can give them nothing it is terribly sad. A very strange day today."

Drivers unanimous on decision not to race
All the drivers agreed conditions had been too dangerous to race.

Verstappen said: "It just didn't feel right. The fans probably won't agree with what happened today but you just have to think about safety at the end.

"When you can't see where you're going and you can't see where the car ahead of you is, you can't race like that."

Hamilton added: "I couldn't go flat out down the straight because I had no idea where George was. Eau Rouge was pretty tricky and the worst thing would be if we had a crash like with Lando [Norris] yesterday and we wouldn't have been able to see of there was a driver in the middle of the road."

Russell said: "We may as well have been driving up the straights with our eyes closed at points because that's how it would have been at a race start and it would have been chaos."

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There is a good chance with current form that Russel is going to be Mercedes's No. 1 Driver for 2022. They will have a clear No. 1 & 2 after mid-season like they have this season.

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Mr.S wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 12:32
There is a good chance with current form that Russel is going to be Mercedes's No. 1 Driver for 2022. They will have a clear No. 1 & 2 after mid-season like they have this season.
I wouldn't go that far. He's driving well but Williams took a huge gamble at Spa going with the full wet, high downforce setup while every other team had their low downforce aero equipped. Made both George and Latifi look much better than what they or the cars are capable of IMO.

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Mr.S wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 12:32
There is a good chance with current form that Russel is going to be Mercedes's No. 1 Driver for 2022. They will have a clear No. 1 & 2 after mid-season like they have this season.
On what basis? Please explain with some evidence and supporting arguments.
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For me, it's a scandal. The "race" of two laps was ran mainly to secure money. It was obvious that conditions hadn't improved and there was no chance that a race could be held safely.

The fans and sponsors can't legally claim a refund that the "race" was ran. All two safety car laps of it.

It's a shame also because that is points lost in ths two championships, through no fault of Mercedes.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:47
For me, it's a scandal. The "race" of two laps was ran mainly to secure money. It was obvious that conditions hadn't improved and there was no chance that a race could be held safely.

The fans and sponsors can't legally claim a refund that the "race" was ran. All two safety car laps of it.
The safety car laps do not play any role in European legislation. A fake race is no race when it comes to court. Also for TV contracts it did not play any role according to Domenicali.
PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:47
It's a shame also because that is points lost in ths two championships, through no fault of Mercedes.
Well....if you look at the videos of the Q laps....Rus was the only one of the top 3 being really good in La Source and Pouhon. Everywhere else he lost time compared to Ham. When it comes to one last lap in Q you need to bring it together...this is similar to Monaco, if you do not bring it in Q you can not make up much in the race.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:47
For me, it's a scandal. It's a shame also because that is points lost in ths two championships, through no fault of Mercedes.
It's no worse than Red Bull losing points in the two previous races due to the fault of Mercedes' drivers* *(as judged by the stewards). I don't think it's reasonable to award points for a non-race, but it is fortunate that it helps Verstappen & Red Bull claw back some of the WDC & WCC points lost through no fault of their own. :)

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basti313 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 17:06
PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:47
For me, it's a scandal. The "race" of two laps was ran mainly to secure money. It was obvious that conditions hadn't improved and there was no chance that a race could be held safely.

The fans and sponsors can't legally claim a refund that the "race" was ran. All two safety car laps of it.
The safety car laps do not play any role in European legislation. A fake race is no race when it comes to court. Also for TV contracts it did not play any role according to Domenicali.
PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:47
It's a shame also because that is points lost in ths two championships, through no fault of Mercedes.
Well....if you look at the videos of the Q laps....Rus was the only one of the top 3 being really good in La Source and Pouhon. Everywhere else he lost time compared to Ham. When it comes to one last lap in Q you need to bring it together...this is similar to Monaco, if you do not bring it in Q you can not make up much in the race.
Nah all the leading driver did good laps. Russell's blistering pace was down to higher down-force.
These are the end of straight speeds: HAM 310kp, VES 306kph, RUS 302kph. RUS even had tighter lines than the RedBull. Williams explained this by saying they put everything into wet qualifying for ONE lap. Consequently, if they ran the race their pace would put them as the 17th fastest car.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 04:09
Zanvoort is next and I think it will suit the car well.
Why do you say that mercedes are favorite at Zanvoort? It is full of curves an not enogh long straights for the Mercedes engine. What Im afraid is that Mercedes because of the stopped development doesnt have a a moderat and balancedRW that trades low downforce and high downforce. They have either that barn door wing or a skinny wing. And it will rain un Sunday. They lose to much with the barn door wing and I wont think that they will risk again with the low downforce wing. Maybe C1 C2 C3 tyres will help a bit.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 16:42
Mr.S wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 12:32
There is a good chance with current form that Russel is going to be Mercedes's No. 1 Driver for 2022. They will have a clear No. 1 & 2 after mid-season like they have this season.
On what basis? Please explain with some evidence and supporting arguments.
LH has been quite horrible so far. He got overtaken @ the start twice by Max Verstappen. He was terrible in Monaco with this set up debacle but he himself also messed up. He made a huge error in Baku after having overtaken Perez (which is a childish F2 Level error) & if you make that kind of stupid error while leading the race in the final moments, you should be admonished. Mercedes obviously treat him with kid gloves despite him being past it.

You can argue he took out Max in Silverstone by being completely off (for which he got penalized by the stewards as well who judged him guilty). He took way too much time to overtake Alonso in Hungary as well. Bahrain was his best moment but this was a mediocre season. It is just that Bottas has terrible. Not just Russel, Norris or Leclrec would have exposed him as well. He is where Vettel was in Ferrari & Russel will be his Leclerc !

Russel has had spectacular qualifying sessions time & again & deserved to win more points in the race but lost out many times over a longer distance because you can do your heroics only so far. He has Latifi time & again & has battled with Alpine/Alonso etc on occasions when he has a much slower car. Forget Hungary, Russel was very good in both Austrian GP as well. And he owned Bottas in Sakhir last year as well. Williams is 2s slower than Mercedes & even with a wet set-up getting to P2 ahead of both Mercedes, a Mclaren, Ashton Martin, Alpine etc were phenomenal !