Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[mahesh248]

[quote="aduka11"][quote="diego1960"]I am afraid that this season is going to be hard for MSC. Just a feeling, and although last year he was faster than Rosberg on race pace, I fear that there might be a shift in Rosberg's favour in 2012. Of course this is contradictory to the claims of Ross Brawn who said that the new Pirelli tyres will probably suit MSC more than the 2011's as they are able to withstand more of his aggressive driving. Any thoughts?[/quote]

Same here...

From videos i saw...bit strange but Nico was the one driving more agressive...at least im getting that feeling watching them onboard..[/quote]

You got any links to these videos ? on board I mean.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@Aduka

Interesting analysis. Lauda also has Mercedes ahead.

Depends whom you believe but Mercedes at least appear competitive.

[aduka11]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsDC3Ev4j3I[/youtube]

[Ferraripilot]

Saw this on autosport forum.

Sportbild:
- one unnamed Merc engineer "we´re on the same level as McLaren, at some point they´re faster, sometimes we are"
- Merc expects itself in Top 3 at Melbourne
- MS struggling more than NR with the high tyre wear, he´s over-driving the car and killing the tyres earlier
- Red Bull is supposed to have a 0,5 sec advantage

If the thing about Schumi is true that "he´s over-driving the car and killing the tyres earlier" then I would say prepare yourself for a another not so good season Schumi fans!

If you have a look at last year's season in particular, on race pace Schumacher is much better at preserving tires than Nico. I would not read too much into conjecture regarding him over-driving the car as from all the lap comparisons I've seen and poured over I cannot see one having more tire deg than the other. I just know Michael is better at keeping them together on race pace. It could be that Michael was specifically 'testing' (testing during testing, really?) the boundaries of the tires to know how much they can be pushed with this chassis. He did the same last year.

[raymondu999]

Michael always did that - pound lap after lap adjusting driving styles to see if he could get more out of the car in terms of fuel consumption - tyre use; etc. That's what he always used to do in Sunday warmup when they had those

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

@Ferrari pilot.


I wouldnt say he was better than nico at preserving tyres.

Just that he had more sets to play with through a)not qualifying for Q3 or b) Not setting a time when qualifying for Q3.

Not having a go at the big man, but you shouldnt discount the tyre situation.

[Ferraripilot]

@Ferrari pilot.


I wouldnt say he was better than nico at preserving tyres.

Just that he had more sets to play with through a)not qualifying for Q3 or b) Not setting a time when qualifying for Q3.

Not having a go at the big man, but you shouldnt discount the tyre situation.

Agreed, but that only counts for so much IMO. Also we should note what you already know, and that was that Schu always set W02 up based on race pace rather than qualifying which I'm sure had something to do with it. W02 was just evil in that respect that it was a different car with a ton of fuel on board. Nico seemed to find a compromise between the two, but Nico was the one being passed for FI and Toro Rosso at times due to tires. Just my two Euro.

[retpog55]

"Put your medals on the table Nico." That's all i'd be thinking if i was MSC. Mercedes, Sauber and Mclaren have the closest battle in the field for their number one driver slot.

Schumacher has something that Nico doesnt and that is a more competitive edge. He has not been able to unleash this side of himself for Mercedes yet. In Monza and Canada we witnessed glimpses of his alter-ego and true racing persona. Even in his final year or two for Ferrari you saw that the car was not as competitive due to tyres etc and Schumacher spent much of his time during races cruising along in 5th, 6th, 7th relatively care free. Nico is very talented and competitive but he has had a strong motivation even if the car has not been able to challenge for championships, he wants to beat the seven time world champion Michael Schumacher. He has done that two years in a row but i think there is more motivation there for Nico than there is for Michael to beat a youngster, Schumacher needs bigger fish to fry in order to really get himself switched on into competitive mode.

If the W03 is competitive and MSC gets the bit between his teeth then you will see a completely different Michael. At the moment we have the relaxed and more mellow Schumacher "i'm having fun" "i enjoyed the race today" etc. Give him the motivation and the competitive car he requires and then let the fun really begin.

[elf341]

abulafiaf1's statistical analysis on Michael vs Nico's degradation for the Sat/Sun upgraded-spec W03 indicated that Michael's degradation was "more or less exactly like Rosberg's".

Trust the data, not the hearsay.

[Ferraripilot]

abulafiaf1's statistical analysis on Michael vs Nico's degradation for the Sat/Sun upgraded-spec W03 indicated that Michael's degradation was "more or less exactly like Rosberg's".

Trust the data, not the hearsay.

That's how I read it when I essentially poured over the data as well. The numbers don't lie.

[Giblet]

Messages about specific corners and comparisons of NR and MS as drivers and other stuff 'not the car' deleted.

[kooleracer]

Anyone know if we can expect same changes for Melbourne?

[Mestrades]

I wanna heard this Ros Brawn team radio: "Congratulations Michael, you've won the race"

[fp95]

Lots of you guys are so pumped about the new Mercedes... I've seen no evidence so far that suggests they will be any better than 5th and 6th.
f ducts, w ducts, blown rear wings activated by drs and so on...

I hope you guys are right because I'd love to see the Schum at least get another win. Championship.... well thats a dream but another win... is not so far in the clouds to see it happen.

[Mr.S]

Lots of you guys are so pumped about the new Mercedes... I've seen no evidence so far that suggests they will be any better than 5th and 6th.
f ducts, w ducts, blown rear wings activated by drs and so on...

I hope you guys are right because I'd love to see the Schum at least get another win. Championship.... well thats a dream but another win... is not so far in the clouds to see it happen.

Nico's race Simulation was Extra-ordinary & by far the best among all teams,his long tuns were excellent too. If he does that Mercedes are going to get a 1,2. I think the evidence suggests that Mercedes has the pace to even win,I would not rule out 1st place.

But the reality is last season they had a the Quickest Lap in Pre-season testing & failed to get anywhere near that time throughout the season. So Mercedes could well fade & I seriously dont think Mercedes can overhaul Red Bull at the start of the season. So 2nd or 3rd for me fighting with Mclaren in the initial 3-4 races atleast till Ferrari or if Ferrari can sort out their car.