Adrian Sutil has secured a deal with Sauber to ensure himself a race seat for 2014. He will effectively make the inverse move of Nico Hulkenberg who joined Force India following his departure at Sauber.
I would discount Kubica for a drive with RBR in 2014. If Kubica ever come back to F1, the most logical place to start will be as test driver to familiar himself before jumping into a race seatjamsbong wrote:Can Kubica be in the running for Webber's seat?
It has been a while that Kimi has been talking about performance and wanting to be in the best car. to me it pretty much set himself up for a move to RBR. A move to RBR will be win for everyone except for Lotus.WhiteBlue wrote:http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/27/kimi-raik ... l-3859775/That sounds like a business already done.Kimi wrote:You always want to try to get the best car, and they [Red Bull] have shown they have had the best package overall for the last three years.
An INJURED Vettel. Apart from that, it doesn't mean anything.avatar wrote:
In a different formula (F3), and few years ago, Di Resta did beat Vettel to a championship.....
...not saying he'd repeat that now, but it would be good to see what he's got in a quick car.
Besides Di Resta had two teammates so far and lost to both of them.gilgen wrote:An INJURED Vettel. Apart from that, it doesn't mean anything.avatar wrote:
In a different formula (F3), and few years ago, Di Resta did beat Vettel to a championship.....
...not saying he'd repeat that now, but it would be good to see what he's got in a quick car.
Agreed. Red Bull can't have Vettel Vs Kimi. They need Vettel Vs the rest, with a good driver that can pick up points in a supporting role who, plays nicely in the garage and can help develop the car. The TR boys already have loads of experience and can easily transcribe that to the main team. They'd give a left nut to be in that seat, whereas Kimi really couldn't care. And I doubt Horner would accept being told to 'shut-up, I know what I'm doing'. That's not what Red Bull want.djos wrote:Redbull would be crazy to hire Kimi, he's not known for playing nice with others and you can bet Vettel would create more Multi21 issues!
Dan R is the logical choice and has been consistently faster than JEV. He would have had more points last year if his car hasn't of crapped out while in 5th at Monza and for a couple of other mechanical failures while in points positions.
He was also leading the team points race until that retard from Lotus took him out in Monaco!
You also only have to see how he handled himself when redbull placed him at HRT for half a season, the boy has class!
Australia's Daniel Ricciardo remained on top of the timesheets on the final day of the Formula One young drivers' test at Abu Dhabi, his Red Bull setting a lap time a full 1.3 seconds faster than Sebastian Vettel's pole time for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
I have to disagree. The mechanism of Red Bull's PR works independent of the drivers they employ. They rely on advertising value equivalent. That means any time a Red Bull car with their logo is shown or discussed in TV, on the internet or the general media it earns sponsorship dollars for Red Bull Technologies and the outsourced racing team RBR which benefits from the work of RBT. RBR currently feeds back as much advertising value equivalent dollars to the Austrian parent corporation as RBT consumes for the technical development. So for Red Bull the team and the constructor business is self supporting like a profit center. Knowing that mechanism the correct question would be whether the choice of a second driver would damage that money spinning model or not. I'm convinced that ultimately the business model will work with any driver pairing but with a different level of earnings. Those would depend on how much success the team over all will have with both drivers. It worked very well with Webber and Vettel. They were constantly in the TV cast of FOM. It would also work with KImi and Vettel I'm convinced.Cam wrote:Red Bull is a PR machine. They want a 4xWDC over a possible 2nd WDC. There's more millage in Vettel picking up more WDC. It's a great story of grooming by Red Bull, supporting from a young age to world leaders - that's the script they need to stick too. It's what the brand is all about.
That is due to the circuit being immensely rubbered up after the GP and the couple days test. Renault’s Jerome d’Ambrosio and Mercedes’ Sam Bird also got under Vettel’s pole time. To give perspective Jerome's time was 1.9 seconds faster than Kubica's and Petrov's Q2 times in qualifying.Cam wrote:in 2010:Australia's Daniel Ricciardo remained on top of the timesheets on the final day of the Formula One young drivers' test at Abu Dhabi, his Red Bull setting a lap time a full 1.3 seconds faster than Sebastian Vettel's pole time for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
I cannot see Vettel maintaining the friendly relationship with Kimi if they become teammates. Kimi would become the first person Vettel has to beat. Vettel's extremely competitive(maybe even agressively so, he couldn't allow Webber one win)to the point where he will take any possible advantage over the only other driver that he could be measured against. The first time Kimi beat him head to head, Vettel would lock into destructo mode and Kimi would be like "damn, what's this dude's problem?I can't interpret displays of emotion"WhiteBlue wrote:IMO he will be able to maintain the friendly relationship he currently enjoys with Kimi.Cam wrote:Red Bull is a PR machine. They want a 4xWDC over a possible 2nd WDC. There's more millage in Vettel picking up more WDC. It's a great story of grooming by Red Bull, supporting from a young age to world leaders - that's the script they need to stick too. It's what the brand is all about.
Well, not according to some:WhiteBlue wrote: I have to disagree. The mechanism of Red Bull's PR works independent of the drivers they employ.
It goes on to say:“When the company came to a certain growth, our reach had to expand beyond the stereotype marketing we did at the time with all the extreme sports,” said Dominik Mitsch, the head of marketing operations for the Red Bull Formula One team and the Toro Rosso team. “The owners decided it was a good move to own a team for various reasons: being in control of how the team was run, how the marketing is done within the team, what drivers you are bringing into the sport.”
The drivers are a critical part of the process and this isn't a debate on marketing - but it is clear who drives a Red Bull car is top thinking - why? Because Red Bull is a PR machine. Towards that, Kimi isn't the best communicator, you have to admit.The marketing image of the drivers is important as well. Although paddock gossips say the team favors the German driver, Vettel, 25, who was a Red Bull athlete for years before arriving in Formula One, the other driver, Mark Webber, 36, an Australian, had raced at Jaguar, and there is plenty of evidence that Red Bull values Webber equally or it would not have continued to rehire him so many times since he joined the team in 2006.
A Formula One driver manager who asked not to be identified for fear of compromising clients said Webber was of interest to the company for marketing in Australia and elsewhere in the English-speaking world.
Webber may be more than 10 years older than Vettel, but aside from his marketable Hollywood good looks, he wins races and scores points regularly. Before joining with Vettel, he had outscored almost all of his teammates.
Cam wrote: Towards that, Kimi isn't the best communicator, you have to admit.
LOL. I was inferring his verbal communication, heck, even his tv ads are pretty stale (they voiced over his ads in my country with another actor!).WilliamsF1 wrote:http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/7F/137177431 ... 6ADFE1.jpgCam wrote: Towards that, Kimi isn't the best communicator, you have to admit.
