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[zoroastar]

Strategy has been bad since Bernie Collins left, I think.

If they would have pitted when they did and had a clean pit stop (including not having Ocon pit right after them and get in the way), they would have come out ahead of Hadjar. That still means they hadn't thought of Hamilton. To have a chance at staying ahead of Hamilton, they would have needed to come out on Softs or mediums. If they would have put Softs or mediums on, Alonso would have been able to push hard on his exit.

So the strategy was right, they just didn't execute. I don't think Alonso had the pace to stay ahead of Hadjar on hards vs Hadjar on Softs(Hadjar went green green green on the first lap with the new tires).
#1 The front left stuck a bit, which got further complicated when Alonso had to wait for Ocon.
#2 They put the wrong tires to have a chance at executing the strategy.

yeah im curious how well things would have gone if he wasnt having PU issues too. it sounded like it was affecting pace quite a bit before it blew up. hard to judge the strategies when there is an issue on track. we can judge the slow stops though.

[zoroastar]

hopefully this run of bad luck is over for a while. new upgrades, and now a new engine in the back. things usually tend to even themselves out over a season. not always though. alonso is due for a podium, but ill take a string of points finishes

[diffuser]

Strategy has been bad since Bernie Collins left, I think.

If they would have pitted when they did and had a clean pit stop (including not having Ocon pit right after them and get in the way), they would have come out ahead of Hadjar. That still means they hadn't thought of Hamilton. To have a chance at staying ahead of Hamilton, they would have needed to come out on Softs or mediums. If they would have put Softs or mediums on, Alonso would have been able to push hard on his exit.

So the strategy was right, they just didn't execute. I don't think Alonso had the pace to stay ahead of Hadjar on hards vs Hadjar on Softs(Hadjar went green green green on the first lap with the new tires).
#1 The front left stuck a bit, which got further complicated when Alonso had to wait for Ocon.
#2 They put the wrong tires to have a chance at executing the strategy.

yeah, i,m curious how well things would have gone if he wasn't having PU issues too. it sounded like it was affecting pace quite a bit before it blew up. hard to judge the strategies when there is an issue on track. we can judge the slow stops though.

I didn't go back and check but I don't remember hearing Alonso complain about the PU until after the pit stop. It was several laps after the pit stop. I'm pretty sure it was 3 or 4 laps after Hamilton pitted.

He would have easily finished 7th without the issue. I can't see him advancing more than that cause Hadjar pitted twice in quick session..... hard to say if that quick 2nd pit stop by HAdjar was always the plan or if it was advanced by Alonso PU problems. Alonso was pretty slow in the first few laps after the PU problem started...It took about 10 laps to get it into STRAT 6(they tried 2 or 3 different resets that didn't work). Once they got to STRAT 6, Alonso was managing 1:16s. So if the motor would have held, he could have finished 7th, worst case scenario 8th.

[Waz]

At the end of the day, a mandatory 2 stop while at least 2 compounds are bullet proof turned out a predictably stupid idea, and I think only the Racing Bulls and Williams got it right by virtue of their cars qualifying near each other in or on the edge of the top 10.

Nobody else really had a chance.

[zoroastar]

At the end of the day, a mandatory 2 stop while at least 2 compounds are bullet proof turned out a predictably stupid idea, and I think only the Racing Bulls and Williams got it right by virtue of their cars qualifying near each other in or on the edge of the top 10.

Nobody else really had a chance.

both racing bulls and williams had a second driver there and were able to manipulate the gaps in traffic too. that helped them get their strategies right big time. if stroll could have been 2 or 3 cars behind alonso he could have assured hadjar or hamilton were a few seconds back when alonso exited the pits if they played that game too. it was all pretty lame to watch though

[zoroastar]

If they would have pitted when they did and had a clean pit stop (including not having Ocon pit right after them and get in the way), they would have come out ahead of Hadjar. That still means they hadn't thought of Hamilton. To have a chance at staying ahead of Hamilton, they would have needed to come out on Softs or mediums. If they would have put Softs or mediums on, Alonso would have been able to push hard on his exit.

So the strategy was right, they just didn't execute. I don't think Alonso had the pace to stay ahead of Hadjar on hards vs Hadjar on Softs(Hadjar went green green green on the first lap with the new tires).
#1 The front left stuck a bit, which got further complicated when Alonso had to wait for Ocon.
#2 They put the wrong tires to have a chance at executing the strategy.

yeah, i,m curious how well things would have gone if he wasn't having PU issues too. it sounded like it was affecting pace quite a bit before it blew up. hard to judge the strategies when there is an issue on track. we can judge the slow stops though.

I didn't go back and check but I don't remember hearing Alonso complain about the PU until after the pit stop. It was several laps after the pit stop. I'm pretty sure it was 3 or 4 laps after Hamilton pitted.

He would have easily finished 7th without the issue. I can't see him advancing more than that cause Hadjar pitted twice in quick session..... hard to say if that quick 2nd pit stop by HAdjar was always the plan or if it was advanced by Alonso PU problems. Alonso was pretty slow in the first few laps after the PU problem started...It took about 10 laps to get it into STRAT 6(they tried 2 or 3 different resets that didn't work). Once they got to STRAT 6, Alonso was managing 1:16s. So if the motor would have held, he could have finished 7th, worst case scenario 8th.

yeah i assumed it was happening well before the pitstop. i guess since he started saying he couldnt push as soon as he exited, but i wasnt sure. it wouldve helped if lance was close enough to play games with the traffic like williams and racing bulls were.

on another note, where do u get the in car cameras during the race? ive had the f1 app for a while but ive never been able to find an option like that. i dont have Sky, if that what you are watching it on. it would be cool to hear the radios and stuff during the race

[diffuser]

At the end of the day, a mandatory 2 stop while at least 2 compounds are bullet proof turned out a predictably stupid idea, and I think only the Racing Bulls and Williams got it right by virtue of their cars qualifying near each other in or on the edge of the top 10.

Nobody else really had a chance.

Trying to make the best out of a bad thing. I don't think it changed anything .....Next year's regs will have a bigger impact...How much ? I don't know. The walls there will forever be close enough to make any failed maneuver punishable by a high chance of broken parts, early pit stop or a retirement. All of which will ruin your day. The addition of the cost CAP has generally been a good thing for competitiveness across the teams but it's raised the pain level of a failed passing attempt in Monaco. For all it's beauty, the race hasn't been pretty in a long time.

[diffuser]

yeah, i,m curious how well things would have gone if he wasn't having PU issues too. it sounded like it was affecting pace quite a bit before it blew up. hard to judge the strategies when there is an issue on track. we can judge the slow stops though.

I didn't go back and check but I don't remember hearing Alonso complain about the PU until after the pit stop. It was several laps after the pit stop. I'm pretty sure it was 3 or 4 laps after Hamilton pitted.

He would have easily finished 7th without the issue. I can't see him advancing more than that cause Hadjar pitted twice in quick session..... hard to say if that quick 2nd pit stop by HAdjar was always the plan or if it was advanced by Alonso PU problems. Alonso was pretty slow in the first few laps after the PU problem started...It took about 10 laps to get it into STRAT 6(they tried 2 or 3 different resets that didn't work). Once they got to STRAT 6, Alonso was managing 1:16s. So if the motor would have held, he could have finished 7th, worst case scenario 8th.

yeah i assumed it was happening well before the pitstop. i guess since he started saying he couldnt push as soon as he exited, but i wasnt sure. it wouldve helped if lance was close enough to play games with the traffic like williams and racing bulls were.

on another note, where do u get the in car cameras during the race? ive had the f1 app for a while but ive never been able to find an option like that. i dont have Sky, if that what you are watching it on. it would be cool to hear the radios and stuff during the race

I watch it on chrome with the f1 app. On the right edge middle of the screen , if you move your mouse there, 4 Icons appear, the bottom one is Driver cams. If you Click on Driver Cams, all the driver names come up. Naturally if you click on the driver is witches to his onboard. Don't remember where it is on Android TV.

I just about watch the whole race from the onboard. Only switching when there is an accident or safety car. I also have a tablet running with the live timing. So you can see sector times, top speed how close to DRS zone, tires, laps etc.

[RoadRep]

The 'I can't push now' and slow first part of the stint was explained when Alonso said if he pushed on fresh hards he would open up the graining. Then maybe later PU problems started.

[Nikosar]

The 'I can't push now' and slow first part of the stint was explained when Alonso said if he pushed on fresh hards he would open up the graining. Then maybe later PU problems started.

Even without the PU issue, Aston Martin was outsmarted by Racing Bulls and Ferrari on strategy. Even with Stroll, their approach felt more reactive, simply responding to what others were doing rather than taking risks. They could’ve tried something different with Stroll, nothing to lose if you are not in the top 10.

I also found it odd that the race engineer didn’t explain the reason for the pit stop to the driver. Other teams usually mention things like e.g. : "you’ll lose track position"; with Alonso, it's been a couple of races now where the reason is left unexplained, leaving the frustration.

[diffuser]

The 'I can't push now' and slow first part of the stint was explained when Alonso said if he pushed on fresh hards he would open up the graining. Then maybe later PU problems started.

Even without the PU issue, Aston Martin was outsmarted by Racing Bulls and Ferrari on strategy. Even with Stroll, their approach felt more reactive, simply responding to what others were doing rather than taking risks. They could’ve tried something different with Stroll, nothing to lose if you are not in the top 10.

I also found it odd that the race engineer didn’t explain the reason for the pit stop to the driver. Other teams usually mention things like e.g. : "you’ll lose track position"; with Alonso, it's been a couple of races now where the reason is left unexplained, leaving the frustration.

At Imola Alonso was told why they weren't pitting on the first lap of the safety car, there just wasn't time to explain it before he was told not to pit... before Alonso reacted.

You can tell on the radio, the engineer doesn't know. He's waiting to be told what to do by the Strategists....somebody else. So for him to explain that when he doesn't know himself is hard.

After Hadjar pitted, the gap ahead to Verstappen was a little over 4 seconds. Hamilton is 1.5 seconds behind Alonso. They tell Alonso to use up all the tire, not sure Alonso understood...he asked for a target lap. Alonso does go from doing 1:16.3 to 1:15.6. The next lap Alonso is complaining of graining, he slows .6 in the first 2 sectors and they pit him. In the pit box the front left sticks and they lose .2 of a second? Alonso starts to leave the pit box but has to stop cause Ocon is coming into pit, another second?