[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[damager21]

Verstappen doesnt think tyre deg is too big:
(last question at 1 min)
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2020/ ... gello.html

Thanks for sharing. Seems to me as quite a good lap already. Car looks balanced as well.

Good lap but when compared to Bottas, looks like Max was on the limit and Merc still has some time up their sleeves. Track position on Sunday will be critical as this is very free flowing track with fast corners so overtaking is gonna be a huge challenge. Having said that, tyre wear looks like a potential challenge on Sunday so hopefully Red Bull manages to setup their car well enough not to experience too much tyre wear

[Bill]

i expert a Max and Honda back to back victory.if Lewis is on the back foot Bottas will be easily dealt with.next morning Marko will still be winging about lack of pawa

[Marti_EF3]

I wont believe Max is equal with the Mercs until the end of Q3. Something makes me think that Merc is sandbagging with lower PU modes...

[godlameroso]

Teams usually find a second from P3 to Q2.

[godlameroso]

I was right, Red Bull are strong around here. Albon putting that car where it belongs

[mem]

so Max only 3 tenths away from the mercs , Mercedes are stinky cheaters where the massive gaps gone ? Toto the insufferable oxygen thief is ruining the sport iam sure it was his order to cheat , all that because FIA made a deal with
Ferrari last year , one mode engine so no more manipulating the non high voltage circuits in ERS and no more using party mode parameters during races , and the result ? close racing no more cruising to wins
those 3 tenths are the result of Honda missing the turbo design and RBR chassis flaws , thats the normal gap
you would wonder how come a car get beaten by Gasly in STR in drag race in November Brazil 2019 to open massive gaps to even RBR in July 2020.

[godlameroso]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

[Moore77]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

Don't you think you are jumping to conclusions too fast? Just last race, with the new TD, Mercedes was still around a second faster in qualifying. May be they have turned down things a bit as they said they were surprised to see that gap in last race, but who really knows? You should allow a few GPs to to see a settled scene.

[godlameroso]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

Don't you think you are jumping to conclusions too fast? Just last race, with the new TD, Mercedes was still around a second faster in qualifying. May be they have turned down things a bit as they said they were surprised to see that gap in last race, but who really knows? You should allow a few GPs to to see a settled scene.

They were half a second behind Mercedes in Spa, Italy was a one off, and the RB16 often has better race pace than qualifying pace. With fresh engines and no mode restriction Mercedes was a good .5 seconds per lap faster in the race at Spa. It's hard to see the gap in Italy because traffic and retirements. This is the closest they've been, I hope they can carry this gap to Sochi because RB will have some updates then.

[TNTHead]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

Don't you think you are jumping to conclusions too fast? Just last race, with the new TD, Mercedes was still around a second faster in qualifying. May be they have turned down things a bit as they said they were surprised to see that gap in last race, but who really knows? You should allow a few GPs to to see a settled scene.

I also think we should not cheer too soon. At the moment Max is still 3rd, so far business as usual. His long runs were good so lets see if RB can finally put pressure on Merc. If they can it will at least be more interesting at the front. And may be, just may be it may lead to more than 3rd place. Max with Albon near and 3 tenths away from pole is the best starting point for this season so far.

[Marti_EF3]

As I thought, Mercedes was holding back a little. Anyway, seeing Albon right there is good news the car is on the right direction at this track. Let's hope the race pace is enough tomorrow to challenge or put pressure to the Mercs. And also it continues on the next races

[SmallSoldier]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

Don't you think you are jumping to conclusions too fast? Just last race, with the new TD, Mercedes was still around a second faster in qualifying. May be they have turned down things a bit as they said they were surprised to see that gap in last race, but who really knows? You should allow a few GPs to to see a settled scene.

The tire pressures are very high for this GP, it seems that the W11 doesn’t work as well with such high PSI in the front tires, while the RB16 either benefits from it or at least is not negatively affected.

The teams are also expecting to struggle with tires, Mercedes may have gone with a setup that favors the tires by sacrificing one lap pace.

I wouldn’t read too much into the qualifying gap.


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[mem]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

it lack this is quote translated by ispano6

So that is where the advantage is?
Asaki: Well with the turbo, we think we were behind before, but we surpassed them last year, but we did notice in Austria this year that their turbo did become better. It's neck and neck, back and forth between us it seems.
With regard to PU, the thermal efficiency seems like MB is (able to) go a little over/at the limit longer. (pushing it)

the point is no matter how Mercedes wanted to inject depression their true pace with no cheat is not gigantic , all Honda need to do is to fix their turbo and introduce spec 2 going inside 2021 i highly doubt mercs will find any big gains.

[epo]

Hamilton couldn't even crack 200mph with the DRS wide open. Honda isn't lacking power, maybe a bit of ERS efficiency, and a bit more downforce on the chassis, or more consistent, and there'd be nothing to pick between them. I agree though, Mercedes relies on too many tricks, Toto is too powerful politically because of Brawn.

it lack this is quote translated by ispano6

So that is where the advantage is?
Asaki: Well with the turbo, we think we were behind before, but we surpassed them last year, but we did notice in Austria this year that their turbo did become better. It's neck and neck, back and forth between us it seems.
With regard to PU, the thermal efficiency seems like MB is (able to) go a little over/at the limit longer. (pushing it)

the point is no matter how Mercedes wanted to inject depression their true pace with no cheat is not gigantic , all Honda need to do is to fix their turbo and introduce spec 2 going inside 2021 i highly doubt mercs will find any big gains.

I hope it will be spec 3 though

[godlameroso]

Understeer is bad to have around here, it compromises you too much into 2 and 10, Bottas was faster, maybe he's banking on a more balanced car, while Hamilton never got to dial in the setup. You can tell because he's understeering on the entry to the chicanes, the downforce of the car masks this to an extent. You have to have very good throttle control with a balanced car as 1 12 and 15 stress the rears a fair bit.

Verstappen always takes turn 15 closer to the apex signifying his car is more neutrally balanced, I think his driving technique here will help him preserve the rears because he's not leaning on rear slip like Mercedes has to in order to clear the apex.

This circuit plays well into the RB 16's strengths. The speed range of the corners and downforce levels needed means the car spends little time in that area where the rear stalls. However this is also due to RB improving the chassis all the time.