Christian Horner under Investigation

[TFSA]

But still I keep coming up against the question why she hasn't simply shown say a journalist, a trusted one, the original chats on her WhatsApp account? Instead of the screenshots that aren't verifiable or 100% convincing. And who has access to her phone, to take them? If it does go to court then she is going to have to produce the original ones isn't she, so if they're different it's going to come out. The obvious reason is one or two have been altered and they change how they all read. And the KC did see the originals, or he was denied.

Because doing so would likely make any legal case she might bring a lot harder to win and could even open her up to a legal challenge herself.

This is plain and simply false. If the texts are real, she has a legal right to show them, since she is a party to the conversation. It won't open her to a lawsuit (not one she's gonna lose at any rate), and it is also unlikely to compromise any legal case she may make. Courts take whistleblowers rights seriously, as long as they haven't publicized any confidential information.

[Mogster]

This doesn’t seem to be covered much by the UK media. Maybe because it’s weekend and the journos haven’t got out of bed yet or possibly due to the suggestion of UK legal proceedings.

[myurr]

But still I keep coming up against the question why she hasn't simply shown say a journalist, a trusted one, the original chats on her WhatsApp account? Instead of the screenshots that aren't verifiable or 100% convincing. And who has access to her phone, to take them? If it does go to court then she is going to have to produce the original ones isn't she, so if they're different it's going to come out. The obvious reason is one or two have been altered and they change how they all read. And the KC did see the originals, or he was denied.

Because doing so would likely make any legal case she might bring a lot harder to win and could even open her up to a legal challenge herself.

This is plain and simply false. If the texts are real, she has a legal right to show them, since she is a party to the conversation. It won't open her to a lawsuit (not one she's gonna lose at any rate), and it is also unlikely to compromise any legal case she may make. Courts take whistleblowers rights seriously, as long as they haven't publicized any confidential information.

It's a breach of privacy laws for her to share these personal messages with the press: https://harassmentlawyer.co.uk/online-b ... -in-the-uk.

Whistleblower protections are for reporting via the correct channels - i.e. taking through Red Bull's internal processes, to arbitration / tribunal, sharing with the regulator (FIA in this case), etc. They don't cover just taking the story to the media because you felt like it, when you haven't exhausted those channels.

[Cs98]

BBC is confirming the appeal, and also confirms that it's the board who made the decision not the independent investigator. This is currently on the front page of BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68576295

Good on her if she thinks she’s been wronged here. I wonder how far it will if Horner is still backed by the Thai owner.

I think though it makes 2 of the rumours as wrong one that she’d been paid off $1m

Also - less certain but the Horner will be sacked before the AusGP after losing the support of the Thai owner re it might hurt sales in the US, feel they could made that decision without the appeal if that was the case and hearing the appeal and making a decision in a few days is a very tall ask.

If they (the Thais) change their minds and decide to fire him they would/should do it at the conclusion of the appeals process. That would at least give the impression of a working process, and they can give some excuse as to what changed between the original dismissal and the appeal to save face. But firing him before the appeal is finished would look very strange.

[Mogster]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

[chrisc90]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

[Wouter]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

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Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

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Christian Horner accuser lodges official complaint with FIA about his behaviour

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/68585318

[kenshi_blind]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

Am i missing something here ? why would/ should the FIA trust RB GmbH ? isn't the FIA supposed to be independent and dully abide by its own rules and regulations ? RB investigated themselves and found no issue? what kind of mental gymnastic is that ?

[chrisc90]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

Am i missing something here ? why would/ should the FIA trust RB GmbH ? isn't the FIA supposed to be independent and dully abide by its own rules and regulations ? RB investigated themselves and found no issue? what kind of mental gymnastic is that ?

What confidential information should the FIA be allowed to get from internal company matters?

[izzy]

Hardly a reliable source of information, but The Express saying the woman has complained to the FIA about Horners behavior?

Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

it'll come under at least one of their statutes won't it, so they'll have to investigate themselves. Definitely an escalation, making me start to believe in the screenshots.

[izzy]

What confidential information should the FIA be allowed to get from internal company matters?

I was wondering this same thing. Assuming Horner had 'a reasonable expectation of privacy' which seems to be a key factor. But you'd think there'll be exceptions, like when the exposure is not 'unreasonable' or something.

[denyall]

The FIA, just like FIFA or the NFL or MLB or any other governing body can request information from a team under their jurisdiction to conduct an investigation into a matter that is a potential violation under said governing bodies rules.

If Red Bull is confident in their investigation then they should have no problem sharing the results with FIA, at which point you would expect the FIA to agree that the investigation was complete and sign off on it as well.

We recently saw this with the Susie Wolff/Toto Wolff thing, FIA open an investigation, reviewed the paperwork from Formula 1's investigation and then said all looks good carry on move along... I distinctly remember a lot of you saying that that's the FIA's right and duty; to verify that things were above board...

[kenshi_blind]

Reported by Andrew Benson and Planet F1 too.

Not entirely sure what the FIA will do. Surely they have to trust the results of the RB GMbH investigation?

Am i missing something here ? why would/ should the FIA trust RB GmbH ? isn't the FIA supposed to be independent and dully abide by its own rules and regulations ? RB investigated themselves and found no issue? what kind of mental gymnastic is that ?

What confidential information should the FIA be allowed to get from internal company matters?

Not sure why you're gaslighting, I'm not even going to bother trying to entertain it.

[TeamKoolGreen]

How is an office employee from a race team relevant to the FIA? She filed a complaint with the FIA.

[GrizzleBoy]

How is an office employee from a race team relevant to the FIA? She filed a complaint with the FIA.

Using that logic, the FIA has no business asking about how much a team spends on office staff, but I think we know that's not how it works.