2021 Turkish Grand Prix - Istanbul Park, Oct 08 - 10

[Juzh]

I think Lewis had a tiny lift in T8 which was not shown in app telemetry.

I dont think so. T8 is so easy now its no point in lifting even only 1%.
https://i.imgur.com/XU6syIa.png

The resolution in the graph is rather poor so you probably wouldn't see a lift but Max said T8 is easy flat.

Resolution is plenty good enough. I've seen examples of this data capturing lifts of only 1-2%, so if it says it's flat then it's near-as-make-no-difference flat. There's a possibility it missing out on 1% lift if the entire duration of that lift is less than around 0.2s, which is completely insignificant.

[Tizz]

I dont think so. T8 is so easy now its no point in lifting even only 1%.
https://i.imgur.com/XU6syIa.png

The resolution in the graph is rather poor so you probably wouldn't see a lift but Max said T8 is easy flat.

Resolution is plenty good enough. I've seen examples of this data capturing lifts of only 1-2%, so if it says it's flat then it's near-as-make-no-difference flat. There's a possibility it missing out on 1% lift if the entire duration of that lift is less than around 0.2s, which is completely insignificant.

A real throttle graph isn't anywhere near this smooth. The problem is not the the y- but the x-axis.
Although I never had the privilege driving a F1 car on the limit of its capabilities, I'm pretty sure doing so would require a more subtle application of the accelerator than shown in this graph.

[bauc]

What is the weather forecast for today?

It is all grey with tiny bits of rain. Track is surely inters for now. I don’t think it will be all dry for the race start.

Thanks for the update

[RedNEO]

What is the weather forecast for today?

It is all grey with tiny bits of rain. Track is surely inters for now. I don’t think it will be all dry for the race start.

Wow that’s really going to spice things up!

[search]

could be very difficult to get temperatures into the medium tyres at least, if the conditions are like in Q1 yesterday. Unfortunately Tsunoda is probably a bit too far back to lead after lap 1

[Mr.S]

Silverstone onwards, Zandvoort aside, Mercedes has been much faster than Red Bull. I don't see how Hamilton doesn't win tomorrow.

It depends how long it takes to clear everyone other than Verstappen. If Hamilton is P3 after the 1st pit stops then I agree with you.

Otherwise, if Hamilton gets stuck, and Bottas actually performs for a change, Bot-Ver-Ham.

Seems like most of the forum thinks this track is Monaco, and they have fallen for the Mercedes propaganda (again). "So hard to pass, etc..."

Then Hamilton blitzes everyone and Toto be like "Much amaze, so much wow."

Exactly! Overtaking won't be an issue at all, especially with the Merc pace and fresh ICE this weekend. Hamilton will grab a podium for sure.

When you are @ P20, then the road to P10 odd seems easier. Unfortunately the cars ahead aren't Haas or Alfa Romeo.

Hamilton has Tsunoda, Norris (who led the last race & almost won - Mclaren has been close to RB/Mercedes after the summer), then Perez (RB - 2 tenths off barely), Gasly (0.5s off), Leclerc (0.3-0.4s off - Maybe more) & also Alonso who had a 1s slower can than Hamilton in Hungary & Hamilton with fresher tyres couldn't pass him for eternity.

Hamilton's start & 1st 2-3 laps are key - If he can get himself to P6-P7 types then he has a chance to win otherwise P4-P5 @ best, maybe P3 (but looks hard).

Don't forget this isn't Monza or Sochi & he has Alonso-Verstappen-Leclerc (with new engine) - Perez - Alonso - Gasly infront of him. People will lose time in the dirty air in the faster corners.

[Mr.S]

I would not give Hamilton a win already. He is starting from P11. The car is only 3 tenths quicker than redbull. A lot of stars have to align to give hamilton the win.
Max has a very good chance of blowing bottas away and racing off into the distance.

With the extra fuel HAM was carrying in Q3 (reports were about 1-2 tenths worth of extra fuel), there’s an argument to be made that the gap could’ve been 4-5 tenths with nothing else changing but fuel load.

Max also stated that he doesn’t think they have the pace to win. If Verstappen did overcome the disadvantage of starting on the dirty side of the grid to pass Bottas, I actually think Merc has both the pace and straight line speed to come back at him.

And Max's car was understeering much more & Max did run wide in a couple of corners. He definitely had 1-2 more tenths in the car. 2-3 tenths is about fair but in race pace it will probably be less. We have seen this regularly in the 1st half when RB was qualifying better, Mercedes had equal or better race pace. RB was quite behind in Sochi & Monza in qualifying but the gap was much smaller in race pace.

The earlier tyres helped RB in qualifying, the new ones give a decisive advantage to Mercedes, but the margin is not as big in the race. I expect 2 tenths here & there - Which is something the chasing car will lose in dirty air !

[RedNEO]

Current track condition - raining lightly and has been all morning. Dark clouds in every direction. 2.5 hours until race start.. I can’t see past inters at this point.

[Juzh]

The resolution in the graph is rather poor so you probably wouldn't see a lift but Max said T8 is easy flat.

Resolution is plenty good enough. I've seen examples of this data capturing lifts of only 1-2%, so if it says it's flat then it's near-as-make-no-difference flat. There's a possibility it missing out on 1% lift if the entire duration of that lift is less than around 0.2s, which is completely insignificant.

A real throttle graph isn't anywhere near this smooth. The problem is not the the y- but the x-axis.
Although I never had the privilege driving a F1 car on the limit of its capabilities, I'm pretty sure doing so would require a more subtle application of the accelerator than shown in this graph.

If X axis would be longer then there would be no abrupt throttle inputs shown, they would be much more gradual. Obviously when you truncate 5 km distance down to 10 cm all you're gonna get is almost an on/off graph.
However that's not an issue in this case as we're only looking at whether or not T8 was flat, and I can tell you even a 1% lift is clearly visible, even when X is truncated this much.

For example Verstappen supposedly took T1 in hockenheim flat out back in 2018 (whole articles were written about it), but in reality he lifted around 1-2% while jumping over exit kerbs and it's clearly visible in this plot:

[Wouter]

[RZS10]

4 place grid drop for a new PU - good deal and a no-brainer.

[Tizz]

Obviously when you truncate 5 km distance down to 10 cm all you're gonna get is almost an on/off graph.

Exactly. As I said, the resolution along the x-axis is rather poor. As a driver lifts, it would probably be more than just a few percent but it might be very short and disappear completely in the sampletime. In fact, the graph is so distorded that is it hard to tell what you see. At all...

[RedNEO]

2 hours until race start and it’s still raining

[RedNEO]

[Michelangelo]

The current brisk weather, no sunlight and damp track.
https://ibb.co/Nnbg9M5