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vorticism wrote:
24 May 2025, 16:12
Ferrari S.p.A. ought to sell copies of that CV joint transport cover as a latte mug in their gift shop. Perfect shape/size.
It even has a handle !!!!

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deadhead wrote:
25 May 2025, 14:34
https://ibb.co/CKyDTQRN
Thanks, great idea to put these side by side!
I would not be surprised if the new shiny surface would be for aerodynamic reasons, to minimise boundary layer?
Also, the whole floor looks more 3 dimensional.
What I was mostly interested is in, how these floors have changes in "height", as I think could play a huge role in mitigating porpoising, and also provide a much more stable performance while the distance is changing between the floor and the ground. And to me the newer floor looks to have a lot more refined in this area.
Also, they are hopefully not that sad showing the floor, as they might have a new one coming soon...?

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sucof wrote:
25 May 2025, 23:35
deadhead wrote:
25 May 2025, 14:34
https://ibb.co/CKyDTQRN
Thanks, great idea to put these side by side!
I would not be surprised if the new shiny surface would be for aerodynamic reasons, to minimise boundary layer?
Also, the whole floor looks more 3 dimensional.
What I was mostly interested is in, how these floors have changes in "height", as I think could play a huge role in mitigating porpoising, and also provide a much more stable performance while the distance is changing between the floor and the ground. And to me the newer floor looks to have a lot more refined in this area.
Also, they are hopefully not that sad showing the floor, as they might have a new one coming soon...?
End of the GE regulation. By the time someone would analyse the floor, figure out what they wanted to incorporate and produce, you are looking at a 2-3 month timeline, if not longer. On top of that, FER have a different philosophy to McL, RB and Merc on floor design, afaik.

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Exclusive NewsF1.it – Ferrari F1 Prepares a New Energy Store for the SF-25: Here’s What’s Really Changing


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Ferrari F1 Updates – While media attention is focused on the rear suspension, a previously undisclosed technical innovation is taking shape in Maranello. According to exclusive information obtained by NewsF1.it, Ferrari F1 is working on an Energy Store (battery pack) upgrade for the SF-25. This is a crucial development aimed at improving available power, thermal management, and the overall reliability of the Power Unit. According to reliable internal sources, the new system is in an advanced stage of development and could be introduced during the 2025 season.

Read more https://www.newsf1.it/ferrari-sf-25-upd ... g-in-2025/

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Thanks to Hamilton, we got a chance to see the latest floor geometry of Ferrari. They've been doing their own thing with the floor since 2022 and while most of the teams copied Red Bull since (including McLaren) Ferrari kept their concept and evolved it.

The concept core is bringing the tunnel roof as low as possible to generate raw downforce in ground effect. In 2022 this resulted in noticeable bouncing on early F1-75 - but the car was often so high and so soft it barely made any issue to the drivers.

With updates in suspension and floor design, Ferrari got rid of bouncing completely during 2023 and it only became a problem with notorious Barcelona 2024 floor spec. There, Ferrari wanted to add raw floor downforce with additional vertical kicks on rear boat section and their suspension at the time just couldn't cope with that properly. They raised the car and later in Hungary replaced the rear vertical kick with lateral kick that we can see on photo in the quoted post.

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They later made a step forward with Monza 2024 package when they got rid of both boat section and diffuser keel vertical kicks - the concept which live on SF25. This mechanism deprives them of raw downforce at low ride heights, but they make it up with raw tunnel downforce instead.

In my view, Ferrari are letting the flow go sideways out the floor more and more as speed goes up and ride height goes down to prevent raw bouncing through aero design. This is probably a common mechanism on all cars, aided significantly by floor edge wings. The difference with Ferrari is their low throat which will also generate a lot of suction at low ride heights, and this can cause bouncing more easily if the floor edge is not designed properly.

Another key difference with Ferrari is their high diffuser kick, much higher than McLaren and Red Bull. This makes that area less sensitive to bouncing at high speed, while also giving good overall downforce at the front part of the floor. Thus, Ferrari can probably exploit softer rear end for improved low-speed traction performance.

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There are some more aero mechanisms in the rear corner, shown on first image. The particular way the floor edge vortices are formed on Ferrari's edge wing is slightly different compared to rest of Top 4, since Ferrari has introduced another rear corner chamber with their Vegas 2024 "experimental" floor. This update of rear corner provided them with better performance in high-speed sections and Leclerc felt it was a particularly good solution in high-speed corners in Qatar.

The problem with SF25 at the moment is clear on these photos too - the rear end is somewhat too soft due to internal suspension mechanics not being able to provide adequate load support and ride-height control, while also providing spring and damping rates to keep the tyres in the right operating window. Ferrari is working on rear-end mechanic update and aim to introduce it in the next few races. If completely successful, it could allow them to set the car low again and unlock 2-3 tenths of extra pace from the car that we've seen in Australia Friday and China Sprint, which Ferrari needs in Qualyfying the most.

SF-24, Hungary:

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zioture wrote:
26 May 2025, 14:22
Exclusive NewsF1.it – Ferrari F1 Prepares a New Energy Store for the SF-25: Here’s What’s Really Changing


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Ferrari F1 Updates – While media attention is focused on the rear suspension, a previously undisclosed technical innovation is taking shape in Maranello. According to exclusive information obtained by NewsF1.it, Ferrari F1 is working on an Energy Store (battery pack) upgrade for the SF-25. This is a crucial development aimed at improving available power, thermal management, and the overall reliability of the Power Unit. According to reliable internal sources, the new system is in an advanced stage of development and could be introduced during the 2025 season.

Read more https://www.newsf1.it/ferrari-sf-25-upd ... g-in-2025/
It's hard to believe Ferrari is allowed to introduce this kind of performance Upgrade as the development (except for reliability) is frozen on current PUs.

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Our editorial team knows for certain that the part has already been in production for a week. We don’t know exactly when it will debut, but we are sure that it is different from the one used up until now. Obviously, we believe it will be introduced under a reliability exemption.

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zioture wrote:Our editorial team knows for certain that the part has already been in production for a week. We don’t know exactly when it will debut, but we are sure that it is different from the one used up until now. Obviously, we believe it will be introduced under a reliability exemption.
Is it a shape change and weight distribution thing? I don’t think the rules allow any change to this stuff in season.

If one takes your note for certain, the only thing you can really introduce for reliability would be something cooling related that would allow more violent charge/discharge cycles and lowers wasted energy.

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I can tell you with certainty that Ferrari will introduce an energy store with a different shape, because the internal components—specifically the batteries—are being changed. It’s likely that this will be introduced under the reliability exemption. But again, the new energy store, which has been in production for a week now, is physically different from the one used up until now. Trust me...

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Why would they invest in 2025 energy store updates if you claim it will be retired at the end of season because the ‘26 unit is different?

This has to apply to ‘26 as well, at least conceptually.

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dialtone wrote:
26 May 2025, 23:37
Why would they invest in 2025 energy store updates if you claim it will be retired at the end of season because the ‘26 unit is different?

This has to apply to ‘26 as well, at least conceptually.
No doubt, with these words
the new system is in an advanced stage of development and could be introduced during the 2025 season.
"Could be introduced" it's a system meant for 26 car being pushed to the 25.

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Sevach wrote:
27 May 2025, 06:26
dialtone wrote:
26 May 2025, 23:37
Why would they invest in 2025 energy store updates if you claim it will be retired at the end of season because the ‘26 unit is different?

This has to apply to ‘26 as well, at least conceptually.
No doubt, with these words
the new system is in an advanced stage of development and could be introduced during the 2025 season.
"Could be introduced" it's a system meant for 26 car being pushed to the 25.
Every PU-related change have to be approved by the FIA and the other PU-manufacturers and you have to provide technical details of the adaptions. Only when they give their OK, Ferrari would be allowed to introduce it. But this discussion should be in the Ferrari PU thread.

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Interesting detail shown here, the "turnbuckle" adjustment within that pull rod link is absolutely huge in relative terms. Used for altering ride height of chassis against the torsion spring its operating to give chassis trim in setup.

Note also the rose/spherical/heim joint at the end of that pullrod link, look at the bolt hole size in comparison to the other primary link ends of "wishbone" inner locations. Also substantially larger than them in diameter and subsequent capacity in load terms. The rocker it's feeding into must be taking a very high load to need that level performance in what's likely to be a double shear joint arrangement in typical design of them.

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new wing
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