2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Bisonas]

Call it copium, but I predicted this after day 1 in Barcelona and I am predicting it again after Australia.

This car will win a race in 2026.

There. Said. Seen. Cannot be unseen.

The whining (nerve damage, electrocution, really?) smells of politics to get some exceptions and at least guarantee 2 ADUOs. The 80 HP down is... unthinkable. Clearly some creative math went into that, something like with the vibration issues we have to downrate the battereis and, including that, at peak, we are 80HP down.
The aero is so extreme that is has to be genius or madness, and cornering speeds look decent?
An untested, un set-up car, "80 HP" down in power and probably overweight is 2.5 seconds off the top...
When everything runs at 98%, this will be a top 5 car, and with such wonky aero choices, there will be a track where it is just perfect...

Win predicted. Mock me in December.

I will even go one step further.

Round 13 - Hungary

Alonso fights for the victory, and he gets it !!!

[FrukostScones]

Could someone please photoshop the AMR26 to BRAWN BGP 001 colors.

[TyreSlip]

https://streamain.com/en/Xgkz5qLo4KbuMbN/watch

Am I the only one upset about 10+ second pit stops? I said this was a big issue for Aston Martin last year only to be dismissed. Stroll came in behind Alonso and his pit stop was also more than 10 seconds.

[HPD]

WAtanabe: I spoke to the drivers about the vibrations, and it felt like they were much better than in the Bahrain test. Lance (Stroll) even said that it was 'about half the problem.'"

However, at the moment, the power unit (PU) is not being used to its full potential.

"We are still limiting how we use the PU. At this point, we are not at the stage where we can say anything about the performance of the PU or the car, so we are not yet using it in the way that it should be."
"It's natural for the engine to vibrate, but it was within the acceptable range on the bench. However, when we installed it in the car, abnormal values ​​started appearing, and it reached a level that damaged the PU and motor, which was the case in Bahrain."

In the limited time before the opening, several countermeasures were tested, and one of them proved effective this time.

"We tested a number of ideas on Sakura's Real Vehicle Dyno (VTT) and one of them was a hit. Of course it's still not perfect, but it's a big improvement."
"We talk every day. We are working together to determine how we can quickly ensure Aston Martin's competitiveness, and what specific measures we should implement and when."

He also emphasized that the PU and chassis cannot be considered separately.

"It's not just about the PU or the car body. It's important to make the whole car competitive."

[mzso]

- Thus the MGUK is clearly the only component working on the car and its working well, ICE is the problem but homologation means more power for next year hopefully unless Honda repasts a 2017 but Andy cowell should ensure they don't do that.(currently ice will be 10-20hp down for the whole season after vibrations are fixed, for suzuka or china(honda might fast track upgrades considering the data they managed to collect this race)
- If the vibrations are fully fixed for Suzuka a better look at the battery reliability and deployment means due to the 50/50 split the 20hp lower ice won't be too much of a problem if Adrian can work with the chassis and bridge the gap

Do you have any basis for these power values? Or did you just fully make it up?

The whining (nerve damage, electrocution, really?) smells of politics to get some exceptions and at least guarantee 2 ADUOs. The 80 HP down is... unthinkable. Clearly some creative math went into that, something like with the vibration issues we have to downrate the battereis and, including that, at peak, we are 80HP down.

Where is this 80 HP coming from. Last I heard from Newey, it was unknown because the ICE can be run at full power.
He only said the engine "clearly" has a power handicap.

[Redragon]

The solution found by Honda
https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkP ... /giphy.gif

[PowerandtheGlory]

I wish i could be more positive, but if Aston can claw back that defict in 1 season.. id be amazed. I think Sadly and regrettably they arent well prepared enough and the PU is nowhere near good enough. The glimmer if hope is how poor 2 of the Merc engined teams were… it shows its not all down to the engine…

[diffuser]

I can't imagine where AM will find 30 horsepower, even if FIA reduces the electrical component by 150 kW.
Waiting until the next season every season is depressing

I believe they are still running heavy (using extra fuel to decrease vibrations) and with the PU restricted. So we'll see if they have a permanent battery fix for Suzuka. If they do, then we'll see how much down on power they are.

[Leon Kennedy]

I can't imagine where AM will find 30 horsepower, even if FIA reduces the electrical component by 150 kW.
Waiting until the next season every season is depressing

I believe they are still running heavy (using extra fuel to decrease vibrations) and with the PU restricted. So we'll see if they have a permanent battery fix for Suzuka. If they do, then we'll see how much down on power they are.

Exactly, Watanabe said it too, so they don't even know where they stand in terms of engine. But the MGU-K, as predicted, works very well. Even Ferrari has the Ice's -20hp and in the meantime they're there fighting .


When they presented the car, AN and Alonso made those statements, I was the first to say that the season was already wasted. P But now I'm starting to understand what they meant. I believe and hope there will be a frightening improvement curve. Don't get me wrong, it might still be a disaster, but the situation is muuuuuch less grim.

[ScottB]

I wish i could be more positive, but if Aston can claw back that defict in 1 season.. id be amazed. I think Sadly and regrettably they arent well prepared enough and the PU is nowhere near good enough. The glimmer if hope is how poor 2 of the Merc engined teams were… it shows its not all down to the engine…

Every team is saying development is going to be massive this year, expecting to find lots of time with every update etc.

So, for the team's whose car works, has no obvious issues, they've proved their correlation works etc then it's full steam ahead with adding performance.

If you need to spend your time, say, reducing weight, fixing mechanical issues etc that's time you're not fully focused on adding performance. Even worse if you're currently so far off your expected pace, can you even be sure the car is fully correlating / behaving as expected?

Same for the engine makers, are you using your update allowances to add additional performance, or just to make what you've got last a race distance?

I think I'll go the opposite of some, and say this car won't score a point under 'normal' race conditions this year.

[TyreSlip]

I wish i could be more positive, but if Aston can claw back that defict in 1 season.. id be amazed. I think Sadly and regrettably they arent well prepared enough and the PU is nowhere near good enough. The glimmer if hope is how poor 2 of the Merc engined teams were… it shows its not all down to the engine…

Every team is saying development is going to be massive this year, expecting to find lots of time with every update etc.

So, for the team's whose car works, has no obvious issues, they've proved their correlation works etc then it's full steam ahead with adding performance.

If you need to spend your time, say, reducing weight, fixing mechanical issues etc that's time you're not fully focused on adding performance. Even worse if you're currently so far off your expected pace, can you even be sure the car is fully correlating / behaving as expected?

Same for the engine makers, are you using your update allowances to add additional performance, or just to make what you've got last a race distance?

I think I'll go the opposite of some, and say this car won't score a point under 'normal' race conditions this year.

I think the car's chassis is good enough to score at Monaco and Hungary. The large HP deficit is magnified at power tracks when battery regeneration is minimal with a weak ICE.

But I agree, many here have too much hopium and are forgetting the lessons of 2015 and 2017. It took Honda 7 years to win a championship when coming back from a deficit this large. The engine budget cost cap, IMO, is just as bad as the token system from 2014-2016. My sliver of hope lies with ADUO, but even that is vague as to how much the cost cap is lifted for manufacturers who are way behind.

[mzso]

I can't imagine where AM will find 30 horsepower, even if FIA reduces the electrical component by 150 kW.
Waiting until the next season every season is depressing

I believe they are still running heavy (using extra fuel to decrease vibrations) and with the PU restricted. So we'll see if they have a permanent battery fix for Suzuka. If they do, then we'll see how much down on power they are.

There was nothing wrong with the battery, by what they said. It wasn't designed for unreasonable vibrations is all.

[AR3-GP]

WAtanabe: I spoke to the drivers about the vibrations, and it felt like they were much better than in the Bahrain test. Lance (Stroll) even said that it was 'about half the problem.'"

However, at the moment, the power unit (PU) is not being used to its full potential.

"We are still limiting how we use the PU. At this point, we are not at the stage where we can say anything about the performance of the PU or the car, so we are not yet using it in the way that it should be."
"It's natural for the engine to vibrate, but it was within the acceptable range on the bench. However, when we installed it in the car, abnormal values ​​started appearing, and it reached a level that damaged the PU and motor, which was the case in Bahrain."

In the limited time before the opening, several countermeasures were tested, and one of them proved effective this time.

"We tested a number of ideas on Sakura's Real Vehicle Dyno (VTT) and one of them was a hit. Of course it's still not perfect, but it's a big improvement."
"We talk every day. We are working together to determine how we can quickly ensure Aston Martin's competitiveness, and what specific measures we should implement and when."

He also emphasized that the PU and chassis cannot be considered separately.

"It's not just about the PU or the car body. It's important to make the whole car competitive."

It's clear that Honda don't think the issue is solely PU related, but also that AMR disagree with Honda about that conclusion.

[diffuser]

I can't imagine where AM will find 30 horsepower, even if FIA reduces the electrical component by 150 kW.
Waiting until the next season every season is depressing

I believe they are still running heavy (using extra fuel to decrease vibrations) and with the PU restricted. So we'll see if they have a permanent battery fix for Suzuka. If they do, then we'll see how much down on power they are.

There was nothing wrong with the battery, by what they said. It wasn't designed for unreasonable vibrations is all.

I left out "vibration" in battery fix. Thought it was implied. I meant battery vibration fix.

[Leon Kennedy]

I wish i could be more positive, but if Aston can claw back that defict in 1 season.. id be amazed. I think Sadly and regrettably they arent well prepared enough and the PU is nowhere near good enough. The glimmer if hope is how poor 2 of the Merc engined teams were… it shows its not all down to the engine…

Every team is saying development is going to be massive this year, expecting to find lots of time with every update etc.

So, for the team's whose car works, has no obvious issues, they've proved their correlation works etc then it's full steam ahead with adding performance.

If you need to spend your time, say, reducing weight, fixing mechanical issues etc that's time you're not fully focused on adding performance. Even worse if you're currently so far off your expected pace, can you even be sure the car is fully correlating / behaving as expected?

Same for the engine makers, are you using your update allowances to add additional performance, or just to make what you've got last a race distance?

I think I'll go the opposite of some, and say this car won't score a point under 'normal' race conditions this year.

I think the car's chassis is good enough to score at Monaco and Hungary. The large HP deficit is magnified at power tracks when battery regeneration is minimal with a weak ICE.

But I agree, many here have too much hopium and are forgetting the lessons of 2015 and 2017. It took Honda 7 years to win a championship when coming back from a deficit this large. The engine budget cost cap, IMO, is just as bad as the token system from 2014-2016. My sliver of hope lies with ADUO, but even that is vague as to how much the cost cap is lifted for manufacturers who are way behind.

With the difference that the 2017 Honda is not the 2026 one and the engine is not the one we saw today. The engine is underpowered, like when you limit motorcycles to 48 HP for newly licensed riders, cutting the revs and therefore the power. Let's also add the excess fuel and the weight and do some math.
In 2017, the power was the same, today it's not like that. As soon as we see the engine at full speed, we'll judge.