Red Bull RB21

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euv2
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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organic wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:33
AR3-GP wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:28
I think this is a new rear wing for Barcelona, not the Monaco one :wtf:

The infamous RB cutout behind the DRS actuator is gone.
https://i.postimg.cc/281zxS3h/image.png
Correct yea

Here's supposedly the "new" directive-legal front wing. I spent about 2mins looking for geometry/connection differences but couldn't see anything. Maybe this is still the old spec idk.

📸 Alessandro Sala
https://i.imgur.com/gEteBzI.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DyFwtMW.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/vh13Q4I.jpeg
Yeah, even the carbon fibre weave looks to be the same, whereas on the MCL and FER front wings it has changed.

f1isgood
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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organic wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:33
AR3-GP wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:28
I think this is a new rear wing for Barcelona, not the Monaco one :wtf:

The infamous RB cutout behind the DRS actuator is gone.
https://i.postimg.cc/281zxS3h/image.png
Correct yea

Here's supposedly the "new" directive-legal front wing. I spent about 2mins looking for geometry/connection differences but couldn't see anything. Maybe this is still the old spec idk.

📸 Alessandro Sala
https://i.imgur.com/gEteBzI.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DyFwtMW.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/vh13Q4I.jpeg
The cars in the background don't have a front wing I think? It looks like the same wing was just placed at the front from the initial photos, again due to Allesandro Sala. I don't think there's any change but Vanja will probably notice something that I didn't even know :)
Call a spade, a spade.

AR3-GP
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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Why would they put the new rear wing on the car, but then put dummy front wings on the car? What would be the purpose? New parts can have a different weight distribution which affects the setup of the car. I don't see any logic for those wings to not be TD compliant versions.
It doesn't turn.

venkyhere
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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organic wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:33
AR3-GP wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:28
I think this is a new rear wing for Barcelona, not the Monaco one :wtf:

The infamous RB cutout behind the DRS actuator is gone.
https://i.postimg.cc/281zxS3h/image.png
Correct yea

Here's supposedly the "new" directive-legal front wing. I spent about 2mins looking for geometry/connection differences but couldn't see anything. Maybe this is still the old spec idk.

📸 Alessandro Sala
https://i.imgur.com/gEteBzI.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DyFwtMW.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/vh13Q4I.jpeg
I think the front wing is brand new too, since the nose tip seems to be less 'duck billed platypus' (like Alpine) and more 'conventionally tapered towards the front'.

AR3-GP
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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venkyhere wrote:
29 May 2025, 22:05
organic wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:33
AR3-GP wrote:
29 May 2025, 20:28
I think this is a new rear wing for Barcelona, not the Monaco one :wtf:

The infamous RB cutout behind the DRS actuator is gone.
https://i.postimg.cc/281zxS3h/image.png
Correct yea

Here's supposedly the "new" directive-legal front wing. I spent about 2mins looking for geometry/connection differences but couldn't see anything. Maybe this is still the old spec idk.

📸 Alessandro Sala
https://i.imgur.com/gEteBzI.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/DyFwtMW.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/vh13Q4I.jpeg
I think the front wing is brand new too, since the nose tip seems to be less 'duck billed platypus' (like Alpine) and more 'conventionally tapered towards the front'.
I agree.
It doesn't turn.

Farnborough
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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AR3-GP wrote:
29 May 2025, 21:52
Why would they put the new rear wing on the car, but then put dummy front wings on the car? What would be the purpose? New parts can have a different weight distribution which affects the setup of the car. I don't see any logic for those wings to not be TD compliant versions.
FP1 could be considered "wind tunnel" time such that they can check old with new for load figures .... ultimately to drive feedback and correlation loop. It's quality real time and application data to support in factory analysis really, if they run with it.

Farnborough
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 06:53
Also raced in Imola with different front wings. I assume due to parts shortage from qualifying crash. Higher angle front flap on Verstappen nose, among other things.

https://i.postimg.cc/T3B14zqn/image.png
the Imola MV wing APPEARS to have the lowest element detached from nose structure (unlike Yuki example) which COULD by being less supportive be method of rotating the whole assembly backward to give something in replication of just the top two flaps moving as we've seen on most cars so far this season.

Possibility of having a different load curve in testing regimen application.

venkyhere
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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Farnborough wrote:
29 May 2025, 22:30
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 06:53
Also raced in Imola with different front wings. I assume due to parts shortage from qualifying crash. Higher angle front flap on Verstappen nose, among other things.

https://i.postimg.cc/T3B14zqn/image.png
the Imola MV wing APPEARS to have the lowest element detached from nose structure (unlike Yuki example) which COULD by being less supportive be method of rotating the whole assembly backward to give something in replication of just the top two flaps moving as we've seen on most cars so far this season.

Possibility of having a different load curve in testing regimen application.
That aside, the letterbox opening between the nose and lowest element is to provide some sort of 'clean air' to the lower tea-tray at the floor entrance, right ?

AR3-GP
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It's a combination of ideas which they have tested previously. The fat nose cose remains, but evolved with a spoon-less mainplane profile.
It doesn't turn.

Farnborough
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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venkyhere wrote:
29 May 2025, 22:38
Farnborough wrote:
29 May 2025, 22:30
AR3-GP wrote:
21 May 2025, 06:53
Also raced in Imola with different front wings. I assume due to parts shortage from qualifying crash. Higher angle front flap on Verstappen nose, among other things.

https://i.postimg.cc/T3B14zqn/image.png
the Imola MV wing APPEARS to have the lowest element detached from nose structure (unlike Yuki example) which COULD by being less supportive be method of rotating the whole assembly backward to give something in replication of just the top two flaps moving as we've seen on most cars so far this season.

Possibility of having a different load curve in testing regimen application.
That aside, the letterbox opening between the nose and lowest element is to provide some sort of 'clean air' to the lower tea-tray at the floor entrance, right ?
I'm unsure of purpose now as they look to be excluding/controlling floor entry volume by use of strakes at entry to tailor volume and pace at the entrance area.

This slot gap between level one and two (going up from bottom of stack on front wing) SEEMS to feed the "spoon" effect of that first element in producing downforce (from the underside surface) furthermore if it can attract that lower surface to something of a ground effect relationship in generating load at front most extreme of chassis.
The Centre appearing more useful,as the outer reaches of wing are more focused on outwash management for front tire mitigation.

AR3-GP
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Re: Red Bull RB21

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I'm not sure that Red Bull's front wing is different. It still has the spoon.

Spain:
Image


Imola:
Image
It doesn't turn.