Turkish GP 2010 - Istanbul Park

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

He pressed the red button in the Ferrari to make Petrov's tyre go POP

[Rikhart]

Everyone who mistakenly blames vettel, look how button has handled it. He left space for his faster teammate in the turn, instead of squeezing against him like a moron.

Thing is Webber didn't squeeze him, he simply drove in a straight line giving Vettel just enough room but making it as likely as possible that he'd be able to go around the outside to get the inside line on the next corner. Vettel turned in to him to try and squeeze him wider and give himself a more beneficial line.

Vettel's error in my view - drivers don't need to roll out a red carpet when someone tries to overtake. They have a duty to give the other car room, which Webber did, but equally it's up to the overtaking car not to run into the other car. Vettel failed on that latter point.

The way I see it, webber was completely off his correct line, to squeeze vettel out, which he did.

[zgred]

He pressed the red button in the Ferrari to make Petrov's tyre go POP

Exactly

[WhiteBlue]

Vettel's fault totally.

Vettel truly is the new Schumacher - drive in to the other guy if all else fails! (Although at least Schumacher was doing it to try to win a title at the last gasp not so early in the season.)

Just like the pitlane incident with Hamilton, Vettel tried to squeeze Webber even though he's not fully ahead.

I've heard of "Parisian (or Roman) parking" but never "German racing" which amounts to the same thing it seems.

Oh well, and now we get nationalistic bullshit!

If anybody was not giving enough room or could be accused of driving someone off the track it was Webber.

[CHT]

Mclaren's team order to Button?

"Save fuel and tyre especially on turn 8, its critical"

[ecapox]

Mclaren's team order to Button?

"Save fuel and tyre especially on turn 8, its critical"

I think that was secret code for "Dont pass each other you idiots."

[ISLAMATRON]

Mclaren's team order to Button?

"Save fuel and tyre especially on turn 8, its critical"

They told Hamilton to save fuel 10 laps before they told Button

[zgred]

Mclaren's team order to Button?

"Save fuel and tyre especially on turn 8, its critical"

I think that was secret code for "Dont pass each other you idiots."

Something like lets learn from the Red Bull.

[Jersey Tom]

I honestly don't care who wins. No fanboy glasses here.

It's as simple as this:

Vettel was in a very good position for the race and for the season. He decided he was going to throw the dice in an overtaking shot.

Any time you go to pass someone under the brakes into a corner, you KNOW there's a decent chance of something going awry and the --- hitting the fan. Especially if there's no clear performance advantage.

Vettel put himself in that position, no one else. Whether or not he was squeezed or turned right or left or whatever is almost irrelevant. He decided he was going to take a chance and put himself in a high risk situation, and it bit him hard.

[ISLAMATRON]

Vettel's fault totally.

Vettel truly is the new Schumacher - drive in to the other guy if all else fails! (Although at least Schumacher was doing it to try to win a title at the last gasp not so early in the season.)

Just like the pitlane incident with Hamilton, Vettel tried to squeeze Webber even though he's not fully ahead.

I've heard of "Parisian (or Roman) parking" but never "German racing" which amounts to the same thing it seems.

Oh well, and now we get nationalistic bullshit!

If anybody was not giving enough room or could be accused of driving someone off the track it was Webber.

Webber gave Vettel a car width and an inch... Vettel moved over on webber just like he did to Hamilton in the pit lane.

Totally 100% Vettel's fault, I'm glad Webber could continue because he was not at fault in the least

[ecapox]

Lets ask the first question:

Was Webber WAY out of position in order to keep Vettel from passing? Was he even close to the racing line?

[roost89]

Very exciting race! Mak vs Lu for 20 odd laps was mightily impressive. Excellent driving from both of them. The only way Lewis was going to pass was if Mark pitted a lap later. Red Bull boys are very fast with the pits too.

In the middle there was a small battle between Lotus and Williams. Quite a good middle to the show. Both Lotus' out with hydraulic problems. Heikki with power-steering failure as his hydraulic.

Then the big incident, the main incident in the race. Vettel vs Webber.
Webber gets a slow run out of one of the corners (9/10?) Vettel goes for the outside then inside line. Gets slightly ahead. Is wide as Webber pushed him out early on in the straight. Webber held his line and Vettel turns in, I guesss assuming he was ahead enough, alas no.

Vettel then accepts the blame (bet most won't remember that)
I believe blame goes to both drivers. Webber for pushing wide at the start of the straight bit and Vettel for turning into Webber which was followed with a crash.

Then we have Lewis vs Jenson. Another very nice battle, at first I thought "that's how it is done!" But no, even they hit each other. Just more luck involved there. Very nice move by Jenson out-breaking Lewis and then washing wide onto the penultimate corner to keep Lewis out. Lewis then taking him in the first few corners of the following lap.

Driver of the race for me: Petrov.
Reason: He kept Fernando Alonso (2x world champion) at bay for many many laps! Not only that, he fought to keep his position and fought well. Only a puncture on his front right was what stopped him after both he and Alonso touched. He was an astute placement for Renault. He'll come good in time.

What I'm not going to like will be: The massive battle between the Vettel and Webber fans as to who caused it. We'll find out later on when it's investigated and the results are published.

Edit: Clarification: Turns out Vettel did not admit it. He's denying he caused the incident. I mis-heard or mis-interpreted what he said on R5L F1
Also edited the wording of my opinion to be less accusatory

[myurr]

I honestly don't care who wins. No fanboy glasses here.

It's as simple as this:

Vettel was in a very good position for the race and for the season. He decided he was going to throw the dice in an overtaking shot.

Any time you go to pass someone under the brakes into a corner, you KNOW there's a decent chance of something going awry and the --- hitting the fan. Especially if there's no clear performance advantage.

Vettel put himself in that position, no one else. Whether or not he was squeezed or turned right or left or whatever is almost irrelevant. He decided he was going to take a chance and put himself in a high risk situation, and it bit him hard.

I actually commend him for taking the chance. That overtake, had he pulled it off, would have led to him leading the world championship instead of, arguably, his current greatest threat. Where he went wrong was in failing to execute the overtake cleanly.

The commentators didn't pick up on it but the TV just showed Lewis describing to Button how Vettel jerked right into Webber. Afterall he had one of the best views of it.

[Just_a_fan]

Vettel's fault totally.

Vettel truly is the new Schumacher - drive in to the other guy if all else fails! (Although at least Schumacher was doing it to try to win a title at the last gasp not so early in the season.)

Just like the pitlane incident with Hamilton, Vettel tried to squeeze Webber even though he's not fully ahead.

I've heard of "Parisian (or Roman) parking" but never "German racing" which amounts to the same thing it seems.

Oh well, and now we get nationalistic bullshit!

If anybody was not giving enough room or could be accused of driving someone off the track it was Webber.

That's why I put a couple of big LOL - it was a bit of a foil to the obviously nationalistic side taking over the incident itself. A number of those supporting Vettel either are, or appear to be from their online persona, to be German and thus supporting a German driver.

Just trying to inject a bit of humour...

My comments about Vettel's behaviour (and comparison to Schuie) stand though.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Button wasnt low on fuel.

Thats just Mclaren BS, they wanted a one-two finish and Button looked faster then Hamilton. So instead of doing a "Red Bull", they issued some phoney command for Button to toe line.... tell me Im wrong!!!