2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Sergej]

People who keep saying McLaren is faster are blind or something!

Same thing as Imola! Verstapen opens up something like 5-10 seconds in the first stint and then he just manages from there to the end! Red Bull is at least 0,3 ahead of everyone in the race…

By the time they bring their own upgrade package they’ll be 0,5 ahead again!

don't you think that he was able to open a 5s gap just because Norris was stuck behind Russell ? as soon as Russell got out of the way, Norris started eating time on Verstappen


that bold move from Russell at the start was a real helper for Max

[venkyhere]

It's almost confirmed in my mind, that the MCL38 has matched (possibly even surpassed) the RB20 in terms of ability. The Mclaren is, I believe, a much wider-window car than the RB20 as of today. The way they are going about the weekend, is with clockwork efficiency and precision like what RB19 used to do in 2023 - no setup drama, no driver complaints, right on the money from FP1 itself. The only remaining doubt is how the tyre deg of MCL38 (in normal summer temp conditions) is going to be, w.r.t the RB20. If that too proves better tomorrow, we can safely say the Mclaren is THE CAR of 2024, usurping the crown from RB20.

The "if" has finally come true. There isn't a better representative track than Barcelona.
Thanks to RUS going P1 after T1, and thanks to VER doing a spectacular overtake on RUS in the first available attempt (allowing NOR to be held behind), the race was won by VER. It was NOR's race to lose, and he did. Psychological blow, 3rd time this season.

Max, the stratagy team, the pitcrew, all doing 'whatever's needed to be done to win even when 2nd best, and somehow pull victory from the jaws of defeat' - they did it in Imola, Canada and now Barcelona. Reminds me of how Real Madrid have always been in the champions league - winning against better opponents. Consistently.

[TimW]

People who keep saying McLaren is faster are blind or something!

Same thing as Imola! Verstapen opens up something like 5-10 seconds in the first stint and then he just manages from there to the end! Red Bull is at least 0,3 ahead of everyone in the race…

By the time they bring their own upgrade package they’ll be 0,5 ahead again!

Then Norris must be blind

[venkyhere]

There isn't a more representative track than Barcelona - tests everything about the car except kerb riding. Low-speed, medium-speed, high-speed, straight, tyre wear, everything. The MCL38 has a much wider working window than RB20, has superior race pace on all tyre compounds, has superior tyre life on all tyre compounds, and doesn't seem to have any weakness.

Facts have to be accepted.

If someone still thinks RB20 is still the fastest car in 2024, they are in denial.

[organic]

There isn't a more representative track than Barcelona - tests everything about the car except kerb riding. Low-speed, medium-speed, high-speed, straight, tyre wear, everything. The MCL38 has a much wider working window than RB20, has superior race pace, has superior tyre life, and doesn't seem to have any weakness.

Facts have to be accepted.

If someone still thinks RB20 is still the fastest car in 2024, they are in denial.

Pretty much yes. The only thing McLaren potentially doesn't have is efficiency which we'll see measure at Silverstone

[AR3-GP]

Dr Obbs alluding to the front wings again. It's quite obvious this is where Mclaren and Mercedes have found a lot of performance. Everything adds up.

The RB20 needs that front wing update soon to be able to balance performance like the others.

All of the competitors used to say last year that Red Bull was the best on tracks that had different corner types because the Red Bull could work with multiple corner types while their own cars could only be tuned for 1 type of corner. Stella stressed that earlier this year (Mclaren overperformed in highspeed, and was awful in low speed), and then they did the upgrade admitting that they found a bunch of low speed performance which was their weakness but they wouldn't say why out of fear of pointing rival teams in the right direction. He kept talking about compromise.

James Allison said the same thing at Merc. They were always struggling with consistent balance when there was more than 1 type of corner (fast, slow) on a track. Then they had their eureka moment, and introduced a front wing that had a flap and it was flexing (but passing test). go figure...

These flexible front wings are allowing them to have optimal aero balance across all corner types because they have big fat loaded front wings in the low speed, that back off their angle reducing both load and drag in the high speed corners. You want the pointy front and lots of load in the low speed, but to back off a bit to get more stability in high speed and less drag in the straights. It is like adding 1+1 to realize how a very flexible front wing allows them to achieve this. In the old regs, teams had suspension systems that just flat out lowered the nose of the car when the wheels turned in low speed corners to increase the front wing load (ground effect increases). These suspension geometries were banned. Now they are imitating this with flex. They run high load wings at slow speed that back off at higher speeds to reduce drag and optimally steer the balance at high speed.

[Emag]

Dr Obbs alluding to the front wings again. It's quite obvious this is where Mclaren and Mercedes have found a lot of performance. Everything adds up.

The RB20 needs that front wing update soon to be able to balance performance like the others.

All of the competitors used to say last year that Red Bull was the best on tracks that had different corner types because the Red Bull could work with multiple corner types while their own cars could only be tuned for 1 type of corner. Stella stressed that earlier this year (Mclaren overperformed in highspeed, and was awful in low speed), and then they did the upgrade admitting that they found a bunch of low speed performance which was their weakness but they wouldn't say why out of fear of pointing rival teams in the right direction. He kept talking about compromise.

James Allison said the same thing at Merc. They were always struggling with consistent balance when there was more than 1 type of corner (fast, slow) on a track. Then they had their eureka moment, and introduced a front wing that had a flap.

These flexible front wings are allowing them to have optimal aero balance across all corner types because they have big fat loaded front wings in the low speed, that back off their angle reducing both load and drag in the high speed corners.

You want the pointy front in the low speed, but more stability in high speed and less drag in the straights. It is like adding 1+1 to realize how a very flexible front wing allows them to achieve this.

This doesn't add up for McLaren because their front wing has been flexing the same way since at least last year, judging by onboards. Yet they were horrible on slow speed corners until the Miami upgrade. It must be something else for them.

[AR3-GP]

This doesn't add up for McLaren because their front wing has been flexing the same way since at least last year, judging by onboards. Yet they were horrible on slow speed corners until the Miami upgrade. It must be something else for them.

The car from last year is not the same as the one from this season even if both wings flex.

[Emag]

This doesn't add up for McLaren because their front wing has been flexing the same way since at least last year, judging by onboards. Yet they were horrible on slow speed corners until the Miami upgrade. It must be something else for them.

The car from last year is not the same as the one from this season even if both wings flex.

Of course, but the car from this year was horrible on slow speed corners as well before the Miami upgrade. And the Miami upgrade did not change how much their wing flexes. Your assumption that the flexing wing is what gave them an improvement in low speed performance does not stand for McLaren.

For Mercedes, your guess is as good as anyone's because they keep changing things every other race. Hard to single out an element and attributing all their gains only to that one element.

[Waz]

Red Bull are really formidable. No panic from anyone, they stick to their strategy and make sure everything is executed to the highest level.

It's the difference when cars are close on performance.

[Sergej]

Dr Obbs alluding to the front wings again. It's quite obvious this is where Mclaren and Mercedes have found a lot of performance. Everything adds up.

The RB20 needs that front wing update soon to be able to balance performance like the others.

All of the competitors used to say last year that Red Bull was the best on tracks that had different corner types because the Red Bull could work with multiple corner types while their own cars could only be tuned for 1 type of corner. Stella stressed that earlier this year (Mclaren overperformed in highspeed, and was awful in low speed), and then they did the upgrade admitting that they found a bunch of low speed performance which was their weakness but they wouldn't say why out of fear of pointing rival teams in the right direction. He kept talking about compromise.

James Allison said the same thing at Merc. They were always struggling with consistent balance when there was more than 1 type of corner (fast, slow) on a track. Then they had their eureka moment, and introduced a front wing that had a flap and it was flexing (but passing test). go figure...

These flexible front wings are allowing them to have optimal aero balance across all corner types because they have big fat loaded front wings in the low speed, that back off their angle reducing both load and drag in the high speed corners. You want the pointy front and lots of load in the low speed, but to back off a bit to get more stability in high speed and less drag in the straights. It is like adding 1+1 to realize how a very flexible front wing allows them to achieve this. In the old regs, teams had suspension systems that just flat out lowered the nose of the car when the wheels turned in low speed corners to increase the front wing load (ground effect increases). These suspension geometries were banned. Now they are imitating this with flex. They run high load wings at slow speed that back off at higher speeds to reduce drag and optimally steer the balance at high speed.

I think, be careful in thinking this mythical flex wing will be the magic bullet that gives back Red Bull the edge over rivals; we don't know if it can be implemented in RB20 concept, we even don't know if it can be developed soon enough.

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Red Bull are really formidable. No panic from anyone, they stick to their strategy and make sure everything is executed to the highest level.

It's the difference when cars are close on performance.

For now.. McLaren upgraded last for performance 5 races ago. They're due some upgrades too and the trajectory of their development compared to red bull's implies that McLaren will soon pull resoundingly clear.

It's not like RB haven't brought upgrades yet this year. Suzuka and Imola weren't small, and Barcelona changes on top

[101FlyingDutchman]

Don’t forget to throw in 2 pitstops with time in/time out time loss of about 2s difference to VER. These details are all starting to matter.

[Rikhart]

People who keep saying McLaren is faster are blind or something!

Same thing as Imola! Verstapen opens up something like 5-10 seconds in the first stint and then he just manages from there to the end! Red Bull is at least 0,3 ahead of everyone in the race…

By the time they bring their own upgrade package they’ll be 0,5 ahead again!

You better go and teach Norris that knowledge of yours, because he said, quite emphatically, they were the quickest car. Maybe you slept during the last stint, where Norris was on used softs, vs Max on NEW softs, and the Mclaren was about half a second faster?

[101FlyingDutchman]

People who keep saying McLaren is faster are blind or something!

Same thing as Imola! Verstapen opens up something like 5-10 seconds in the first stint and then he just manages from there to the end! Red Bull is at least 0,3 ahead of everyone in the race…

By the time they bring their own upgrade package they’ll be 0,5 ahead again!

You better go and teach Norris that knowledge of yours, because he said, quite emphatically, they were the quickest car. Maybe you slept during the last stint, where Norris was on used softs, vs Max on NEW softs, and the Mclaren was about half a second faster?

Won’t convince anyone with an agenda just disregard both drivers comments that basically said the same thing. Easier to observe as an armchair expert!