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We can consider this as a performance ballast for next season but I think, rivals feels it is not enough to catch redbull even in these conditions.

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etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:35
We can consider this as a performance ballast for next season but I think, rivals feels it is not enough to catch redbull even in these conditions.
If the 2.2 million dollars resulted in more performance gain than performance losses this penalty will cause, then it's not harsh enough. Simple as that.

Losing the gained performance should be the minimum and to make a proper penalty out of it they should lose even more performance than they gained. Relatively spoken of course.

Not a popular opinion in this thread, but it is how it is.

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LM10 wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:43
etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:35
We can consider this as a performance ballast for next season but I think, rivals feels it is not enough to catch redbull even in these conditions.
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If the 2.2 million dollars resulted in more performance gain than performance losses this penalty will cause, then it's not harsh enough. Simple as that.

Losing the gained performance should be the minimum and to make a proper penalty out of it they should lose even more performance than they gained. Relatively spoken of course.

Not a popular opinion in this thread, but it is how it is.
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Any thoughts the on the spate of not very RB-like pit stops? Are they having to use old equipment?

Checo's stop was very costly like he said post-race. He would have been on Hamilton's gearbox without the delay. I don't need to mention USA.... :lol:
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Well the team is running near perfection. The pitstops are making them human. They need to have something to improve :)

Unfortunately for PER this hampered him at his home race. Curious what the cause could be: human handling of equipment or wear on the wheel gun or nut?

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LM10 wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:43
etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:35
We can consider this as a performance ballast for next season but I think, rivals feels it is not enough to catch redbull even in these conditions.
If the 2.2 million dollars resulted in more performance gain than performance losses this penalty will cause, then it's not harsh enough. Simple as that.

Losing the gained performance should be the minimum and to make a proper penalty out of it they should lose even more performance than they gained. Relatively spoken of course.

Not a popular opinion in this thread, but it is how it is.
I think it is just $536500. If the gap between rivals comes from this, it is easily enough

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etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 17:50
LM10 wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:43
etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:35
We can consider this as a performance ballast for next season but I think, rivals feels it is not enough to catch redbull even in these conditions.
If the 2.2 million dollars resulted in more performance gain than performance losses this penalty will cause, then it's not harsh enough. Simple as that.

Losing the gained performance should be the minimum and to make a proper penalty out of it they should lose even more performance than they gained. Relatively spoken of course.

Not a popular opinion in this thread, but it is how it is.
I think it is just $536500. If the gap between rivals comes from this, it is easily enough
If we think about it, last's year crash at Silverstone, which was ruled into a fault from Lewis Hamilton, cost the team much more than this amount, because they had to replace the whole chassis. Easily worth more than 1 million, estimated at 1.8 million $. https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3186 ... fia-action

It's crazy to think about how much a single crash can cost, a 25 points deficit and a huge burden for the budget cap.

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PierreW wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 19:11
etusch wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 17:50
LM10 wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 16:43


If the 2.2 million dollars resulted in more performance gain than performance losses this penalty will cause, then it's not harsh enough. Simple as that.

Losing the gained performance should be the minimum and to make a proper penalty out of it they should lose even more performance than they gained. Relatively spoken of course.

Not a popular opinion in this thread, but it is how it is.
I think it is just $536500. If the gap between rivals comes from this, it is easily enough
If we think about it, last's year crash at Silverstone, which was ruled into a fault from Lewis Hamilton, cost the team much more than this amount, because they had to replace the whole chassis. Easily worth more than 1 million, estimated at 1.8 million $. https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3186 ... fia-action

It's crazy to think about how much a single crash can cost, a 25 points deficit and a huge burden for the budget cap.
Other teams had big crashes with big associated costs and managed to stay in budget. One team had a similarly expensive crash and turned down the opportunity to tyre test because of the costs and the budget cap.

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Someone posted a picture comparison between 2021 and 2022 podium here (as they were so alike) and just the ease with which Max now carries himself, it’s a big difference from last year and, like he said, he is truly enjoying it, a exceptional year.

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AR3-GP wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 17:40
Any thoughts the on the spate of not very RB-like pit stops? Are they having to use old equipment?
Bit concerning of late given they used to be the benchmark on pitting. [-o<

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FromGP2toWDC wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 13:33
AR3-GP wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 17:40
Any thoughts the on the spate of not very RB-like pit stops? Are they having to use old equipment?
Bit concerning of late given they used to be the benchmark on pitting. [-o<
Staff fatigue imo

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Dee wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 14:14
FromGP2toWDC wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 13:33
AR3-GP wrote:
31 Oct 2022, 17:40
Any thoughts the on the spate of not very RB-like pit stops? Are they having to use old equipment?
Bit concerning of late given they used to be the benchmark on pitting. [-o<
Staff fatigue imo
They could just be taking their time due to being under no pressure.
But you wouldn’t see the tiny errors they been making.
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Max pitstop in COTA was a broken wheelgun. Can happen. Checo the wheel did not slide on straight, that is something they can practice better.

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Sieper wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 14:39
Max pitstop in COTA was a broken wheelgun. Can happen. Checo the wheel did not slide on straight, that is something they can practice better.
Wasn't the issue that the Checo's wheel didn't come off properly?

That's why, along with the gun failure in USA, I speculated that it could be part fatigue.
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