2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[taperoo2k]

In that context it sounded like "ambient" as in base level temperature, as well as humidity, that they thought affected them.

Presumably with very high ambient, then hydraulic system fluid viscosity diminishes if heat accumulation can't be fully mitigated through cooling systems. In effect operating out of range from original design specifications. That could affect the system timing in actuation from operating "calls" to execute on command.

I would have to imagine they are using a racing grade hydraulic fluid that is very stable in a wide range of operating conditions. My theory is that the humidity affects the control of the engine. The engine is being burped and blipped and other witchcraft during the shifting. If the engine is not responding in time, then it's "collaboration" with the gearbox may be corrupted. I.e there's a torque spike at the wrong time during the shift procedure.

Humidity can reduce the burn rate, increase the combustion duration and in some cases cause misfires, which would effect the gear shifts. If that's what happened to Red Bull then I expect they'll be back to cruise mode in the race on Sunday. If they are still struggling then it either points to the TD's having an impact or some other reason for the performance drop off. My money's on the Red Bull's being back to normal and cruising to victory barring mishaps.

[dialtone]

In that context it sounded like "ambient" as in base level temperature, as well as humidity, that they thought affected them.

Presumably with very high ambient, then hydraulic system fluid viscosity diminishes if heat accumulation can't be fully mitigated through cooling systems. In effect operating out of range from original design specifications. That could affect the system timing in actuation from operating "calls" to execute on command.

I would have to imagine they are using a racing grade hydraulic fluid that is very stable in a wide range of operating conditions. My theory is that the humidity affects the control of the engine. The engine is being burped and blipped and other witchcraft during the shifting. If the engine is not responding in time, then it's "collaboration" with the gearbox may be corrupted. I.e there's a torque spike at the wrong time during the shift procedure.

Humidity can reduce the burn rate, increase the combustion duration and in some cases cause misfires, which would effect the gear shifts. If that's what happened to Red Bull then I expect they'll be back to cruise mode in the race on Sunday. If they are still struggling then it either points to the TD's having an impact or some other reason for the performance drop off. My money's on the Red Bull's being back to normal and cruising to victory barring mishaps.

So weird though. Most races have been wet, doesn’t get much more humid than rain. Yet only Singapore had those serious issues?

[AR3-GP]

I would have to imagine they are using a racing grade hydraulic fluid that is very stable in a wide range of operating conditions. My theory is that the humidity affects the control of the engine. The engine is being burped and blipped and other witchcraft during the shifting. If the engine is not responding in time, then it's "collaboration" with the gearbox may be corrupted. I.e there's a torque spike at the wrong time during the shift procedure.

Humidity can reduce the burn rate, increase the combustion duration and in some cases cause misfires, which would effect the gear shifts. If that's what happened to Red Bull then I expect they'll be back to cruise mode in the race on Sunday. If they are still struggling then it either points to the TD's having an impact or some other reason for the performance drop off. My money's on the Red Bull's being back to normal and cruising to victory barring mishaps.

So weird though. Most races have been wet, doesn’t get much more humid than rain. Yet only Singapore had those serious issues?

In most actual wet races, you aren't running the power unit flat out due to the grip limitation of the rain so everything is "softer". In singapore, it was humid but crucially dry.

Also, RB drivers have previously complained about upshifts and downshifts. It's been a season long issue.

[dialtone]

The fact it’s a season long issue and singapore is always humid AF makes it not sit right with me. You really are telling me that a team like RedBull went in singapore not expecting humidity and didn’t know how to tweak an issue they had all year so far?

Ferrari level competence?

[AR3-GP]

The fact it’s a season long issue and singapore is always humid AF makes it not sit right with me. You really are telling me that a team like RedBull went in singapore not expecting humidity and didn’t know how to tweak an issue they had all year so far?

Ferrari level competence?

Well...the entire weekend was below par for RB from the quality of the communications during qualifying, to the desperate setups, the gear shifting, and the general lack of pace.

I'm not going to bring the prancing horses into it. That's mean. .

[organic]

The fact it’s a season long issue and singapore is always humid AF makes it not sit right with me. You really are telling me that a team like RedBull went in singapore not expecting humidity and didn’t know how to tweak an issue they had all year so far?

Ferrari level competence?

It's quite possible that the issue isn't something that can simply be tuned

Max mentioned that many problems that Singapore will expose are things they know can't be fixed for this year. Some decisions are made at a chassis, gearbox, ERS, suspension, floor concept level that aren't an easy change

I'm sure you'd like for others to emulate Ferraris success in the mishap department, but sometimes these underperformances happen and are not due to the team's errors. Even if they did operationally make many mistakes and incorrect decisions at Singapore which is hard to say, it was still the same team that won 24 races out of 25 since Brazil '22.. The bogey races happen but it's when a pattern emerges of same mistakes over and over that there's a case to be made.

[TNTHead]

The fact it’s a season long issue and singapore is always humid AF makes it not sit right with me. You really are telling me that a team like RedBull went in singapore not expecting humidity and didn’t know how to tweak an issue they had all year so far?

Ferrari level competence?

It's quite possible that the issue isn't something that can simply be tuned

Max mentioned that many problems that Singapore will expose are things they know can't be fixed for this year. Some decisions are made at a chassis, gearbox, ERS, suspension, floor concept level that aren't an easy change

I'm sure you'd like for others to emulate Ferraris success in the mishap department, but sometimes these underperformances happen and are not due to the team's errors. Even if they did operationally make many mistakes and incorrect decisions at Singapore which is hard to say, it was still the same team that won 24 races out of 25 since Brazil '22.. The bogey races happen but it's when a pattern emerges of same mistakes over and over that there's a case to be made.

I wonder whether they were running also (very) conservative engine modes in Singapore. Since the power unit is from Japan one would assume they are turning the engine a bit up this race.

[AR3-GP]

Fast, but the hairpin needs work.

[organic]

Singapore was probably a one-off. Perez ran the old floor in Fp1 and was very conservative. Wouldn't be shocked to see him struggle to podium this weekend even if the rb19 is supreme; this track is one of the worst for Sergio

[organic]

Their numbers were their positions

Car looked good, smooth, not a ton of corrections for Max. The race run was on seemingly higher fuel than others so times not very comparable.

[AR3-GP]

Their numbers were their positions

Car looked good, smooth, not a ton of corrections for Max. The race run was on seemingly higher fuel than others so times not very comparable.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6mbbz5XIAA ... name=small

1 and 11 are the driver numbers

[TFSA]

1 and 11 are the driver numbers

It's a prophecy! Quali and race will have same results!

[AR3-GP]

RB seem to still have the PU turned down rather excessively in the session like we've come to see since Zandvoort. I'm sure Honda have prepared the afterburners for competition sessions. To my estimate, RB will increase by 5km/h on the main straight and the back straight come qualifying.

[dialtone]

RB seem to still have the PU turned down rather excessively in the session like we've come to see since Zandvoort. I'm sure Honda have prepared the afterburners for competition sessions. To my estimate, RB will increase by 5km/h on the main straight and the back straight come qualifying.

Looks the same as Ferrari honestly from telemetry.

[AR3-GP]

RB seem to still have the PU turned down rather excessively in the session like we've come to see since Zandvoort. I'm sure Honda have prepared the afterburners for competition sessions. To my estimate, RB will increase by 5km/h on the main straight and the back straight come qualifying.

Looks the same as Ferrari honestly from telemetry.

I figured you would chime in. It's not though. RB had a bigger rear wing last year, and are slower on the straights in FP1 this year. lol.

Ferrari's speed numbers are more comparable to last year and when you compare Sainz to Leclerc, Sainz is using more power than Leclerc by a big margin, so that' already gives some insight into who is using more and less power. Leclerc and RB seem to be excessively slow on the straights relative to their potential. Sainz is running a bit closer. You can mark my words, RB and Leclerc will find 5-6 km/h on Saturday. Sainz will not.