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[etusch]

It looks like honda so called fixes is about preventing batteries from being damaged by vibration.they say the pu is vibrating normally on the dyno and they never had such problems with redbull.so if the vibration are to be completely eliminated then Aston will also have to make changes to their chassis.

Vibrating normally 🫡
Nobody said is the Engine itself. Anyway not so hard to figure out by rpm range or when is the vibration? When only in gear ? When only the engine makes power? When the PU+Electric motor run together ?

Isn't PU mean ice + electric motor already ?

[etusch]

Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.

I think this happens because many didn't get lesson from Mclaren's bad approach to the Honda.

[Waz]

Let's fit a Mercedes PU. Let's see something about vibrations.

[HPD]

I wonder if the vibrations got worse as the fuel was used up. Alonso still had half a tank left, haha.

[SSJ4]

well this is what its like on full tanks. with hondas current and best countermeasure. they shouldn't be allowed to run. newey has built a nerve damage machine. also aren't the broadcast cameras meant to be stabilised. so its even worse than what thats shows?

[Rikrikrik]

Someone really believes Honda will be solve the vibrations in Japan? Honestly, for me, nothing will be change. I don't know anything about engines, but given the problems we've seen and their proportion, it doesn't seem like they'll be fixed even next year.

[diffuser]

I wonder if the vibrations got worse as the fuel was used up. Alonso still had half a tank left, haha.

I was wondering the same. I also wouldn't put it past Alonso to have gotten fed up. Him thinking "this is enough laps for your data. I don't see the point in putting up with this torcher any more".

I saw in a you tube video where they're running full tanks plus an extra 5 KG weight to try and minimize the bad vibes.

[TyreSlip]

Someone really believes Honda will be solve the vibrations in Japan? Honestly, for me, nothing will be change. I don't know anything about engines, but given the problems we've seen and their proportion, it doesn't seem like they'll be fixed even next year.

I also do not see them being fixed without an engine upgrade. Japan should be more of the same.

[diffuser]

Someone really believes Honda will be solve the vibrations in Japan? Honestly, for me, nothing will be change. I don't know anything about engines, but given the problems we've seen and their proportion, it doesn't seem like they'll be fixed even next year.

I also do not see them being fixed without an engine upgrade. Japan should be more of the same.

There is many places to dampen the vibes on the ICE mounts that aren't part of the homologation. I'm holding out hope.

[ElliotDelgado]

I agree with this.
Honda will have ADUO upgrades BUT:

- they need first to fix vibration
- so I fear they will not use the ADUO performance upgrade, at least the first

Hence they will fix vibrations and finish races but with same pace than now

That's not how it works. Fixing vibration in itself means a lot more usable power.

As per Honda the vibration fixes don't apply to the homologated parts. I suspect that those metal bars that connect to the heads and the section of the ICE that connects to the chassis have engine mount like characteristics that teams still use various damping strategies nearby.

In Formula 1:
monocoque — rigid titanium mount — engine — gearbox — suspension

Because the engine carries structural loads, any soft mount would ruin chassis stiffness and suspension geometry.

1 - Where damping can happen
Teams can still control vibration in several ways:

Tuned mass dampers
Small masses attached near structural areas that absorb specific vibration frequencies. Example concept related to the well-known system once used by Renault F1 Team.

These can be installed:
- inside the engine cover
- on brackets near the PU
- sometimes on gearbox structures

Structural damping in the mounts themselves
Those triangular links are often:
- Titanium
- thin-walled
- carefully shaped
Their geometry can be tuned so they flex microscopically to dissipate vibration energy.
Think of them as very stiff spring elements rather than isolators.

Chassis damping
The carbon-fiber monocoque itself has some inherent damping characteristics. Teams can adjust:
- layup direction
- laminate thickness
- mounting inserts
to influence vibration transmission.

Man, thanks! post like this are what move the conversation forward instead of just pointing fingers.

From what i have read it seems that they are confident the source of the vibrations is the ICE (i mean its still a large area of investigation), i would then imagine that the provisonary fixes are the interface materials between chasis and engine mounts etc, then some counter weights in areas of the mount links (adding weight).

I do not think the updates are going to be only engine parts, i do believe they are going to change the engine bay sorrounding materials to change their flexing characteristics, apart from that i'm not sure what can be done there.

I would like to think honda has balanced the crank and camshafts as best they could, and it would be a massive miskate not to take than into account, what does that leave us? firing order? diffent or greater piston speeds? i remember the Yamaha MotoGP engine to have a different firing order.

Vibrations are terribly complex and they add up i know everybody is mad and don't understand how could Honda possibly missed this, but reallity is that until the engine and the chassis are fulli assembled there is no way to know how both will interact with each other in this regard.

[Otromundo]

I wonder if the vibrations got worse as the fuel was used up. Alonso still had half a tank left, haha.

I was wondering the same. I also wouldn't put it past Alonso to have gotten fed up. Him thinking "this is enough laps for your data. I don't see the point in putting up with this torcher any more".

I've thought the same thing. We're missing a lot of information, but there's no logical sequence because Fernando said the vibrations were stronger from the start, presumably compared to other days. On the other hand, he said that on lap 20 they were unbearable, that his hands and feet went numb. The fuel tank is the prime suspect if we go by this latter statement, but the former weakens the argument.

While I enjoy some salmon escalopes with cheap cava, I have in front of me a study from the Complutense University of Madrid about electromagnetic fields and their biological effects. I'm certainly trying hard to understand this mess. I won't reach any conclusions, but I'm sure that several elements of the car are interconnected. And the chassis has long been considered a "suspected accomplice." Don't worry, I'm not bored

[wiktor977]

well this is what its like on full tanks. with hondas current and best countermeasure. they shouldn't be allowed to run. newey has built a nerve damage machine. also aren't the broadcast cameras meant to be stabilised. so its even worse than what thats shows?

Any countermeasures implemented until now were designed to reduce battery vibrations, nothing else

[zoroastar]

I wonder if the vibrations got worse as the fuel was used up. Alonso still had half a tank left, haha.

I was wondering the same. I also wouldn't put it past Alonso to have gotten fed up. Him thinking "this is enough laps for your data. I don't see the point in putting up with this torcher any more".

I've thought the same thing. We're missing a lot of information, but there's no logical sequence because Fernando said the vibrations were stronger from the start, presumably compared to other days. On the other hand, he said that on lap 20 they were unbearable, that his hands and feet went numb. The fuel tank is the prime suspect if we go by this latter statement, but the former weakens the argument.

While I enjoy some salmon escalopes with cheap cava, I have in front of me a study from the Complutense University of Madrid about electromagnetic fields and their biological effects. I'm certainly trying hard to understand this mess. I won't reach any conclusions, but I'm sure that several elements of the car are interconnected. And the chassis has long been considered a "suspected accomplice." Don't worry, I'm not bored

its probably a combination of less fuel and the accumulation of vibrations on his hands over time. i suffer from my hands getting numb when playing drums sometimes now. it takes a while to start, but once it does it gets harder and harder to keep circulation going during a set. in alonsos case, he doesnt have the ability to stretch his arms out to get circulation moving like i do. its a weird feeling when you cant feel your fingers haha

[mzso]

What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.

I wrote earlier today that you dampen the vibrations from several places. It's not about creating the vibrations from tge chassis but helping to dampening them from the chassis.

One of the challenges being that it is mass and flexibility in a structure that usually oppose and absorb vibration/frequency, both of which are specifically reduced within a F1 chassis installation.

Light weight, high modulus are key attributes of CF materials, making them so desirable in this construction. Damping of anything is not their fortè.

How do people come up with "it's Aston's fault" knowing this. The Chassis is not meant do do vibration dampening.

[mzso]

Someone really believes Honda will be solve the vibrations in Japan? Honestly, for me, nothing will be change. I don't know anything about engines, but given the problems we've seen and their proportion, it doesn't seem like they'll be fixed even next year.

I also do not see them being fixed without an engine upgrade. Japan should be more of the same.

Why wouldn't they upgrade the engine? It's what they need to do.