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Kiril Varbanov wrote:
Someone posted this video on the first page - http://youtu.be/yvby72SaTqw - who are these guys, is that La Sexta or other Spanish Channel? Why on earth they talk over the team radio? I can understand them for being ecstatic about Alonso's battle with both Mclarens, but this is TV commentary we are talking about?
They are Antena 3 channel, but the team is the same that was working on La Sexta before.
And you have absolutely no idea how much they suck. They talk over team radio because they only care about Alonso. Unless it is Alonso's radio, they don't care. They make constant mistakes and errors on pilot names and the kind. Interviewers can't barely speak English. At least 30% of the whole retransmission are commercial spots. They are the biggest pain in the ass, trust me.
But they've got Gene as commentator all the weekends, all the times, which is cool. And before he got the seat at HRT, also DLR. That's a plus I guess.
raymondu999 wrote:But the reverse must also be true though - if they improved more than the field improved, that means relatively, they were slower in Q1 and Q2. If you get what I'm saying.
That's where you have to average over the wider window.
I believe in the current F1 (bar maybe Kartikeyan, but actually even he is doing damn good job) if you are slower than the rest of the grid, then you'd be consistently slower.
raymondu999 wrote:But how the track evolution actually affects the laptimes is another black art - we've seen sometimes that conditions change rather than improve, and some guys fall into a temperature sweet spot and others fall out.
True, but once again if you compare a season or two, those would be averaged out.
When Alonso it going though woodcote brundle says hes something about under steer, is alonso turning in, and on the throttle to induce under steer?
Also Says hes aggressive on entry and brudle says the back end stays glued, what if he didnt say enough rear downforce? would it still stick or not
Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:With him, you know after the race that his car was not capable to do better, he is the only one who can extract 100% of his car during a weekend. Since the Silverstone 2010, he does that with not too many mistakes, it's just awesome.
Wake up sweety, reality calls
Admire the guy all you want, but don't start making stuff up.
I will gladly be the first to say I don't consider him the best driver. He is always there, a master at manipulation having a second Ferrari drive for him, instead of for himself, crying to Charlie Whiting asap etc. (not to discount these things, they are effective means to an end so hats off for realizing it) but he doesn't have the intrinsic talent of the young German, not even close.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
That Ferrari is nowhere near as bad as all Alonso fanboys claim. It was the car to beat in the middle of the season and even in the beginning of the season it showed pretty good balance when the conditions were tricky. In india he put up a faster lap at the end of the race than Vettel, showing that in the race the car was capable of being faster than the redbull, at least in the closing stages.
Many here bet on Vettel to crack under pressure, which he has not this season. Instead, suddenly Felipe is a lot closer to Alonso than before, sometimes even faster. In India, Alonso had a couple of moments with driving errors, something we haven't seen from Vettel. To me it means that Alonso is the one "cracking" under pressure.
"Vettel can only win if he has a fast car" - Doesn't this count for all the drivers? Can Alonso win a race in a slow car? - No. Can Hamilton do it? - No. We've seen this season that Rosberg and Maldonado can win races when their car is fast, but show no consistency in their other race performances. The reason for Vettel leading the championship is that he has consistently scored more points than the others even when his car wasn't quickest.
Alonso belongs to the best drivers in F1 for sure, but is he any more special than Hamilton or Vettel? - No!
If many formula one champions say that Alonso is the best driver on the grid than who are you to judge that.
Someone mentioned fascinating talent of young german. Hm! ?!? Fascinating talent of young Vettel is fascinatingly connected
with fascinating talent of old Newey . Young Kimi had more fascinating talent than young Vettel !
I hate Alonso haters!
When Alonso it going though woodcote brundle says hes something about under steer, is alonso turning in, and on the throttle to induce under steer?
Also Says hes aggressive on entry and brudle says the back end stays glued, what if he didnt say enough rear downforce? would it still stick or not
Alonso's driving style has more to do with shifting weight (to the rear) then downforce.
But off course downforce will increase the speeds and a lack of downforce at front or rear will force a driver to alter his driving in some ways.
But on the other hand, it's not as of a driver takes each corner in his own style, a fast full trotle (or small lift) corner will stay the same.
Thank you really doesn't really describe enough what I feel. - Vettel
F1 : Italian report claims Alonso furious at Ferrari Formula 1 personnel in India
Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:29
Report - Alonso furious at Ferrari in India - Fernando Alonso almost lost his temper ahead of last Sunday's Indian Formula One Grand Prix, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reports.
The newspaper said the Spaniard was furious after the Maranello based team's technical boss Pat Fry blamed the drivers for a sub-standard qualifying performance.
Photo credit Ferrari Media
"The result reflects our current potential," said Fry after Alonso qualified fifth in India.
"But in order to be where we wanted and where we were capable of being, we needed to be perfect today and we weren't," he added.
Alonso went into the Indian Grand Prix weekend bemoaning the fact that, despite always talking up Ferrari's improvements, the F2012 has not substantially improved for several races.
And his characterisation of his title battle as a head to head with Red Bull's Adrian Newey might also be interpreted as a slight on Newey's Ferrari equivalents.
La Stampa said that when Alonso heard about Fry's post-qualifying comments, he "went into a rage".
"(Stefano) Domenicali tried to calm him down ... but the discussion continued until 1am," the report added.
The newspaper said Alonso drafted on his phone a message to his Twitter fans that read: "I want my 1.2 million followers to know that the key aerodynamic components at the rear of the Ferrari are still the same as they were in May".
La Stampa reported: "It took a lot of persuading Alonso not to press the submit button."
Domenicali commented: "You (the media) are good at creating stories that do not exist."
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo is quoted by La Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alonso is right to push the engineers."
Felipe Massa, meanwhile, revealed to Brazil's Totalrace that his F2012 was not in the same specification as Alonso's in India last weekend.
"I had half as much as him," said the Brazilian, "and even more will arrive in Abu Dhabi."
In the wake of the reported Twitter affair, Alonso told his followers that his fighting spirit is intact for the remaining three races of 2012.
"If the sword breaks, fight with your hands," he said, quoting a samurai. "If they cut your hands, push the enemy with your shoulders, even your teeth."
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
radosav wrote:If many formula one champions say that Alonso is the best driver on the grid than who are you to judge that.
Someone mentioned fascinating talent of young german. Hm! ?!? Fascinating talent of young Vettel is fascinatingly connected
with fascinating talent of old Newey . Young Kimi had more fascinating talent than young Vettel !
I hate Alonso haters!
I've heard people say "best driver of the year" a few months ago. I've never heard "best driver". Ask the master himself, Schumacher, who he thinks is "the best driver" an sich? I know which name he's goign to say.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
jdlive wrote:F1 : Italian report claims Alonso furious at Ferrari Formula 1 personnel in India
Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:29
Report - Alonso furious at Ferrari in India - Fernando Alonso almost lost his temper ahead of last Sunday's Indian Formula One Grand Prix, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reports.
The newspaper said the Spaniard was furious after the Maranello based team's technical boss Pat Fry blamed the drivers for a sub-standard qualifying performance.
Photo credit Ferrari Media
"The result reflects our current potential," said Fry after Alonso qualified fifth in India.
"But in order to be where we wanted and where we were capable of being, we needed to be perfect today and we weren't," he added.
Alonso went into the Indian Grand Prix weekend bemoaning the fact that, despite always talking up Ferrari's improvements, the F2012 has not substantially improved for several races.
And his characterisation of his title battle as a head to head with Red Bull's Adrian Newey might also be interpreted as a slight on Newey's Ferrari equivalents.
La Stampa said that when Alonso heard about Fry's post-qualifying comments, he "went into a rage".
"(Stefano) Domenicali tried to calm him down ... but the discussion continued until 1am," the report added.
The newspaper said Alonso drafted on his phone a message to his Twitter fans that read: "I want my 1.2 million followers to know that the key aerodynamic components at the rear of the Ferrari are still the same as they were in May".
La Stampa reported: "It took a lot of persuading Alonso not to press the submit button."
Domenicali commented: "You (the media) are good at creating stories that do not exist."
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo is quoted by La Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alonso is right to push the engineers."
Felipe Massa, meanwhile, revealed to Brazil's Totalrace that his F2012 was not in the same specification as Alonso's in India last weekend.
"I had half as much as him," said the Brazilian, "and even more will arrive in Abu Dhabi."
In the wake of the reported Twitter affair, Alonso told his followers that his fighting spirit is intact for the remaining three races of 2012.
"If the sword breaks, fight with your hands," he said, quoting a samurai. "If they cut your hands, push the enemy with your shoulders, even your teeth."
Summary: Alonso and Massa are not top qualifiers, Massa is being seriously disadvantaged. I wouldn't be surprised if this is done on purpose, to make a certain other look better.
"There is a credit card with the Ferrari logo, issued by Santander, which gives the scuderia a % of purchases made with the card...
I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.
Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."
jdlive wrote:F1 : Italian report claims Alonso furious at Ferrari Formula 1 personnel in India
Tuesday, 30 October 2012 09:29
Report - Alonso furious at Ferrari in India - Fernando Alonso almost lost his temper ahead of last Sunday's Indian Formula One Grand Prix, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reports.
The newspaper said the Spaniard was furious after the Maranello based team's technical boss Pat Fry blamed the drivers for a sub-standard qualifying performance.
Photo credit Ferrari Media
"The result reflects our current potential," said Fry after Alonso qualified fifth in India.
"But in order to be where we wanted and where we were capable of being, we needed to be perfect today and we weren't," he added.
Alonso went into the Indian Grand Prix weekend bemoaning the fact that, despite always talking up Ferrari's improvements, the F2012 has not substantially improved for several races.
And his characterisation of his title battle as a head to head with Red Bull's Adrian Newey might also be interpreted as a slight on Newey's Ferrari equivalents.
La Stampa said that when Alonso heard about Fry's post-qualifying comments, he "went into a rage".
"(Stefano) Domenicali tried to calm him down ... but the discussion continued until 1am," the report added.
The newspaper said Alonso drafted on his phone a message to his Twitter fans that read: "I want my 1.2 million followers to know that the key aerodynamic components at the rear of the Ferrari are still the same as they were in May".
La Stampa reported: "It took a lot of persuading Alonso not to press the submit button."
Domenicali commented: "You (the media) are good at creating stories that do not exist."
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo is quoted by La Gazzetta dello Sport: "Alonso is right to push the engineers."
Felipe Massa, meanwhile, revealed to Brazil's Totalrace that his F2012 was not in the same specification as Alonso's in India last weekend.
"I had half as much as him," said the Brazilian, "and even more will arrive in Abu Dhabi."
In the wake of the reported Twitter affair, Alonso told his followers that his fighting spirit is intact for the remaining three races of 2012.
"If the sword breaks, fight with your hands," he said, quoting a samurai. "If they cut your hands, push the enemy with your shoulders, even your teeth."
Summary: Alonso and Massa are not top qualifiers, Massa is being seriously disadvantaged. I wouldn't be surprised if this is done on purpose, to make a certain other look better.
Alonso and Massa are not top qualifiers???
Really...
Both ARE top qualifiers, Alonso is a much better qualifier than people give him credit. Granted in the first half of this season, Massa has been off.
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