A single fuel provider in the future of F1?

[Holm86]

I haven't noticed any Pirelli decals on the cars. Please show me.

http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 658360.jpg

http://www.formula1.com/wi/gi/597x478/p ... 9fe320.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 1-nose.jpg

Okay i see them But they are still tiny. But we will se what happens. But i dont see why Shell should stop sponsoring Ferrari. As i said erlier they can still claim to develop fuels in cooperation with Ferrari roadcars.

[GitanesBlondes]

I haven't noticed any Pirelli decals on the cars. Please show me.

http://img4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Fer ... 658360.jpg

http://www.formula1.com/wi/gi/597x478/p ... 9fe320.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... 1-nose.jpg

Okay i see them But they are still tiny. But we will se what happens. But i dont see why Shell should stop sponsoring Ferrari. As i said erlier they can still claim to develop fuels in cooperation with Ferrari roadcars.

Not sure if you read the earlier link I provided, but here's something that was on the Shell page, that shouldn't be ignored...

Formula One is an extreme test bed that pushes our Shell team to the maximum. We continually search for the percentage gains that could put Ferrari on pole, while continuing the level of protection that allows the engine to survive and perform at its best through two race weekends. Our reliability has been crucial in helping Ferrari to the ten FIA Formula One World Championship Constructors' and 12 Drivers' titles.

Sure they can keep working with Ferrari on the road cars, but what exactly is the point of paying a high dollar F1 sponsorship when your fuel product is not even being used in the car? Currently the fuel suppliers provide all of that to the team(s) they sponsor, so no, it's not like the alcohol and tobacco sponsorships at all.

[CottrellGP]

A little bit more information about the big teams opposing. http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f ... aign=feeds

[GitanesBlondes]

A little bit more information about the big teams opposing. http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f ... aign=feeds

All the more reason why this is one of the dumbest ideas conceived of.

This is supposed to be Formula 1, not IRL.

[timbo]

I wonder could it be a leverage for something else. FIA: OK we'd give you right to chose fuel supplier, but you have to...

[GitanesBlondes]

I wonder could it be a leverage for something else. FIA: OK we'd give you right to chose fuel supplier, but you have to...

If that were to be the case, I'd love to see the teams tell the FIA that if they want that, then it's open season on engine development, in-season testing, and qualifying engines.

[donskar]

I assume that somehow FIA/Bernie/the suits will get some large amount of cash from whomever is named the sole fuel supplier. I believe -- seriously -- the people who really run the F1 business would force the teams to run on scotch if Johnny Walker paid them enough.

[xpensive]

I assume that somehow FIA/Bernie/the suits will get some large amount of cash from whomever is named the sole fuel supplier. I believe -- seriously -- the people who really run the F1 business would force the teams to run on scotch if Johnny Walker paid them enough.

Why not issue a tender for each race, in Austin they can run on local 'shine, eh?

[Holm86]

When I first heard the idea I liked it. Single supplier would mean no chemical warfare in a arms race to produce most MJ/Kg. Though if it means that any team would loose sponsor money it is pure stupidity.

[timbo]

Single supplier would mean no chemical warfare in a arms race to produce most MJ/Kg.

If it was the problem they could just set limits for energy density, it is easy to measure with combustion calorimeter. I read that FIA was concerned with calibration of flow-meters.

[CottrellGP]

I assume that somehow FIA/Bernie/the suits will get some large amount of cash from whomever is named the sole fuel supplier. I believe -- seriously -- the people who really run the F1 business would force the teams to run on scotch if Johnny Walker paid them enough.

Why not issue a tender for each race, in Austin they can run on local 'shine, eh?

Good idea! haha

[xpensive]

Single supplier would mean no chemical warfare in a arms race to produce most MJ/Kg.

If it was the problem they could just set limits for energy density, it is easy to measure with combustion calorimeter. I read that FIA was concerned with calibration of flow-meters.

The +/-0.25% precision of the flow-meter is fantasy of course and a combustion calorimeter at the track would be no better.

[flmkane]

When I first heard the idea I liked it. Single supplier would mean no chemical warfare in a arms race to produce most MJ/Kg. Though if it means that any team would loose sponsor money it is pure stupidity.

But what's the problem with technological warfare in the arena of F1? That is a major part of the allure of motorsports to big companies - a development and testing ground for their technologies. That aspect has already been heavily regulated to the point where car manufacturers and tire companies have been chased out of Formula 1 and has left us fans the poorer. With no scope for engine, transmission or electronics development, we currently have a joke of a formula where millions are invested into putting tiny fins on the car, which make very little difference at the end of the day, because of the funny joke tyres they currently race on.

Instead of tightening regulations still further, they should be LOOSENED for the good of F1. Proof of that is the fact that the loosened regulations for engine development from next season onwards has enticed Honda back into the sport.

I say that we need the old days back, where we have real racecars,with real tyres and at the real limit of technical prowess, screaming around the track, being manhandled by the best racers in the world. Not this pseudo spec series farce.

[timbo]

The +/-0.25% precision of the flow-meter is fantasy of course and a combustion calorimeter at the track would be no better.

You don't need combustion calorimeter at the track (and it is possible). If the fuel samples are homologated you can test them with any equipment at the stationary lab and then just verify their identity with chromato-mass analyzer on track (which they have).

[aleks_ader]

How about some sort "fuel" freze after coupple races like in engines? Maybe 3-5 differend "standard" mixes and that it?