Jean Alesi Suzuka 2001

[Manoah2u]

i'll just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQN49SnvJ_o



there was commenting for several laps how Alesi seemed to miss the pitsigns begging him to come in for fuel,
as iirc the radio was somehow unavailable.

Didn't he turn the radio off in one race because he was fed up with radio Todt/Briatore - can't remember which one..

still doesn't take away that you know you can't finish the race on 1 gas tank nor that you should realise pit wall messages probably would have an important meaning.

if he purposely drove his car dry as a statement and because he was fed up/pissed with Todt/Briatore then hero

come to think of it, he might be the kind of guy to actually do that. would make him even cooler.

[ChrisF1]

From memory it was to piss off the team boss.

[r_b_l]

So does this mean he would have been a good driver in the hands of a F1 2015 car?

Can handle 1x tank of fuel! but I don't think he was a lift & coast type of driver

[Emmcee]

nevertheless, Alesi was a great driver to watch indeed though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jye3mBc8L24

loving the battle, loving the japanese commentators just as much

Epic,epic battle, such a shame we don't get this sort of show anymore.

[yener]

Comparing laptimes from the mid 2000's with 2015 isn't fair. The FIA didn't do a good job but can you imagine how f1 would be like without all new rules en regulations? F1 cars were getting faster and faster every year and they needed to stop.

-We get smaller engines with less power.
-They restricted the exhaust's
-They did forbid the fduct
-Tyres are not as wide as they have been in the mid 2000s
-Lots and lots of aero restrictions
-Double diffuser
-Blown Exhaust Diffuser
-Flexi Wings
-Banned Mass Demper

These are only a few examples. If they didn't do that we would see very very fast laptimes and the grid getting split in 2 or 3 parts. The little teams wouldn't and coulnd't catch up. So it would be a 1,5 LeMans race at the f 1 weekends.

[Emmcee]

Comparing laptimes from the mid 2000's with 2015 isn't fair. The FIA didn't do a good job but can you imagine how f1 would be like without all new rules en regulations? F1 cars were getting faster and faster every year and they needed to stop.

-We get smaller engines with less power.
-They restricted the exhaust's
-They did forbid the fduct
-Tyres are not as wide as they have been in the mid 2000s
-Lots and lots of aero restrictions
-Double diffuser
-Blown Exhaust Diffuser
-Flexi Wings
-Banned Mass Demper

These are only a few examples. If they didn't do that we would see very very fast laptimes and the grid getting split in 2 or 3 parts. The little teams wouldn't and coulnd't catch up. So it would be a 1,5 LeMans race at the f 1 weekends.

Yeah I understand but f1 needs to grow with technology and if that means they corner faster, then so be it. The circuits nowadays have that much run off that these cars could go much faster. They had faster cars in the past and no run offs so I think it's about time they throw caution to the wind and give them free reign once again. This sport is dangerous and always will be, the drivers are more than aware of the risks and that's what draws these drivers and fans alike to the sport. The fatalities of Ratzenberger and senna could even happen today. You will never totally make anything 100% safe, even if your riding a push bike.

[yener]

Comparing laptimes from the mid 2000's with 2015 isn't fair. The FIA didn't do a good job but can you imagine how f1 would be like without all new rules en regulations? F1 cars were getting faster and faster every year and they needed to stop.

-We get smaller engines with less power.
-They restricted the exhaust's
-They did forbid the fduct
-Tyres are not as wide as they have been in the mid 2000s
-Lots and lots of aero restrictions
-Double diffuser
-Blown Exhaust Diffuser
-Flexi Wings
-Banned Mass Demper

These are only a few examples. If they didn't do that we would see very very fast laptimes and the grid getting split in 2 or 3 parts. The little teams wouldn't and coulnd't catch up. So it would be a 1,5 LeMans race at the f 1 weekends.

Yeah I understand but f1 needs to grow with technology and if that means they corner faster, then so be it. The circuits nowadays have that much run off that these cars could go much faster. They had faster cars in the past and no run offs so I think it's about time they throw caution to the wind and give them free reign once again. This sport is dangerous and always will be, the drivers are more than aware of the risks and that's what draws these drivers and fans alike to the sport. The fatalities of Ratzenberger and senna could even happen today. You will never totally make anything 100% safe, even if your riding a push bike.

Yeah i can understand. But here is the thing. If we wouldn't have had al those restrictions teams like ferrari, MGP and Redbull would be front runners. Then you would have the middle class and after that the slow runners. They wouldn't be able to compete. It really would be like a mini LeMans race with different classes.

Going faster in the corners would mean that the crowd who visits the race's wouldnt be able to see much of the cars anymore. So ticket sales would drop.
The restrictions has nothing to do with safety. It's all about the money.

Do we need restrictions? Hell yeah. But not stupid restrictions like this.

-Lets go to a 2.0 v6 without turbo. Limitles full consumption. Unlimited RPM and we would have a beautifull sound and a bit more power.

-minimum weight of the car + 100KG

-Metal Brakes

-And ban the hydraulic steering wheel.

[Emmcee]

This is the thing though, this restrictions have done more harm than good. 20-25 years ago we had 25-30 car grids and they only offered points to the top 6. Now we have 20 cars and points awarded to the top ten, yet there is less middle/lower teams scoring points now than the did 20-25 years ago when only top six were allocated points. The gap between the front and rear of the grid is just to much.

[Moose]

This is the thing though, this restrictions have done more harm than good. 20-25 years ago we had 25-30 car grids and they only offered points to the top 6. Now we have 20 cars and points awarded to the top ten, yet there is less middle/lower teams scoring points now than the did 20-25 years ago when only top six were allocated points. The gap between the front and rear of the grid is just to much.

That's not because the gap has shrunk, that's because the top teams don't blow up 2 out of every 3 races any more.

[Emmcee]

This is the thing though, this restrictions have done more harm than good. 20-25 years ago we had 25-30 car grids and they only offered points to the top 6. Now we have 20 cars and points awarded to the top ten, yet there is less middle/lower teams scoring points now than the did 20-25 years ago when only top six were allocated points. The gap between the front and rear of the grid is just to much.

That's not because the gap has shrunk, that's because the top teams don't blow up 2 out of every 3 races any more.

Well yeah, that is true.

[ChrisF1]

My response to your basically identical post about 3 weeks ago:

F1 today shows how hard and restricted for little teams to operate. We have 20 cars now and top 10 score points, the lower end struggle to score anything compared to 20-25 years ago when we had 25-30 car grids and only top 6 scoring positions, yet more of the back marker teams scored points than they do today, it's rediculous IMO.

You've made a good point, but it's flawed to compare even 20 years ago:

Let's look at 1994 then for example, and compare to 2014.

1994 - Top 6 scored points, 11 teams recorded a points finish in 16 races.
2014 - Top 10 scored points, 9 teams recorded a points finish in 19 races.

In 1994 11 people retired in Brazil, 15 people retired from the French GP, and 18 from the German GP.

Races often had less than 12 runners, so by modern standards every team would have scored a point with that reliability (Caterham and Sauber both failed to score in 2014, but did manage 11th place finishes)

Quite simply, Formula 1 now is harder to score points because:

Mistakes aren't punished by gravel traps any more, so cars get away with errors.
Cars are stronger (Hill vs Schumacher, Adelaide 1994, Maldonado vs. Gutierrez, Bahrain 2014)
Cars are more reliable, with shocking late retirements a rarity - Hakkinen 2001, Massa 2008...