Sure but wasn't Lando Norris the only non-big 3 podium in 2022?
2021 and 2020 had more podium sitters.
Sure but wasn't Lando Norris the only non-big 3 podium in 2022?
I think part of that is passing being easier on track with these cars. When a top car was out of position last year they breezed through whereas with previous regulations it could be really tricky. In 2021 we had races like Russian GP where you had an undamaged rb16b with max at the wheel only just earning points by the end of the GP..
Yes, but I think the idea is that we are going to hit the diminishing returns region of development much faster with the new regs compared to the last few rule sets. 2020 and 2021 gave an illusion of closing up the grid to an extent, because the the Ferrari engine was nerfed in 2020 and not able be fully fixed before 2022. That, and the fact that the chassis were frozen between 2020 an 2021 meant that those years were more the exception, not the rule. At least in my view.
This is also true; for example, Verstappen is taking a hell of a lot longer than 12 laps to pass 14 cars at Spa if it was pre-2022. Although in your Russian GP example, he still finished 2nd, so maybe not much has changedorganic wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023, 00:22I think part of that is passing being easier on track with these cars. When a top car was out of position last year they breezed through whereas with previous regulations it could be really tricky. In 2021 we had races like Russian GP where you had an undamaged rb16b with max at the wheel only just earning points by the end of the GP..
When a smaller delta is required to overtake then more extreme circumstances are required for the 4th fastest car to end up with a podium
Yes I should've mentioned that the rain changed everything he was p7 until it happenedcontinuum16 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023, 00:30This is also true; for example, Verstappen is taking a hell of a lot longer than 12 laps to pass 14 cars at Spa if it was pre-2022. Although in your Russian GP example, he still finished 2nd, so maybe not much has changedorganic wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023, 00:22I think part of that is passing being easier on track with these cars. When a top car was out of position last year they breezed through whereas with previous regulations it could be really tricky. In 2021 we had races like Russian GP where you had an undamaged rb16b with max at the wheel only just earning points by the end of the GP..
When a smaller delta is required to overtake then more extreme circumstances are required for the 4th fastest car to end up with a podium
He was fairly nonplussed by the Ferrari last year in his analysis video, if I remember correctly. I generally enjoy those videos but they’re certainly not always accurate predictions of performance and for whatever reason they don’t seem especially favourable to Ferrari most of the time. I’d take it with a pinch of salt.Venturiation wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023, 23:50scarbs is expecting the ferrari to be behind redbull and mercedes
That's true, in '99 a lot of the cars looked very similar. I was going to mention that era but didn't.Andi76 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023, 21:47Did you really expect anything different? For example, 1998 was a year of big rule changes. In year two, almost many cars looked either like the McLaren (world champion), or like a mixture of the world champion car mixed with ingredients from the runner-up (Ferrari). And that is always the case!
With how prescriptive the rules are in this era, budget caps to adhere to and limited testing, asking teams to come up with something as innovative as a 6 wheeled car or a fan car, it’s a bit too muchJordanMugen wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023, 08:21That's true, in '99 a lot of the cars looked very similar. I was going to mention that era but didn't.Andi76 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2023, 21:47Did you really expect anything different? For example, 1998 was a year of big rule changes. In year two, almost many cars looked either like the McLaren (world champion), or like a mixture of the world champion car mixed with ingredients from the runner-up (Ferrari). And that is always the case!
Yet if some midfield team had invented the F2003-GA style undercut sidepods ahead of time (or even the more aggressive undercuts of a 2005-2006 car), instead of playing it safe, they likely would have quite a big advantage and jumped up the field! [Or their car would have just overheated all the time and been horribly unreliable. ]
Of course the same can be said for someone adding venturi tunnels in advance of the Lotus 78 or so on. It's hard to invent something, that hasn't been invented yet!
It's a shame to see many of the teams following trends instead of taking risks and setting new trends themselves.
Ferrari has only slightly bigger sidepod inlets than Merc and much smaller airbox inlet, like maybe even 3 times smaller. There's absolutely nothing to demonstrate Merc has better cooling. Ferrari even reduced radiators for SF-23, so if any team has better cooling than others, it's Ferrari.
Don't forget the additional inlets the Ferrari now has that have to have somesort of cooling role to meet the regs. I'd guess for battery/electronics.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2023, 19:01Ferrari has only slightly bigger sidepod inlets than Merc and much smaller airbox inlet, like maybe even 3 times smaller. There's absolutely nothing to demonstrate Merc has better cooling. Ferrari even reduced radiators for SF-23, so if any team has better cooling than others, it's Ferrari.
If I get the time, I'll try and make accurate inlet size comparisons...