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This render is a joke, not even worth discussing about.

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venkyhere wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 19:47
This render is a joke, not even worth discussing about.
This. It's all so tiresome.

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Agreed. We will see the actual car tomorrow and see his first runs. Or is it Wednesday?

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 20:27
Agreed. We will see the actual car tomorrow and see his first runs. Or is it Wednesday?
They said Tuesday but it might even be Wednesday

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One of their promo posts about the Barcelona test has dates 28-30.1.2026 in the bottom right. I'm not sure if the marketing guy who made the graphic got the full briefing on the run plan but it's worth mentioning.

Looking at the Norwegian weather forecast it might be worth running tomorrow. Higher temperatures than Wednesday and Thursday but it might rain. https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-tab ... 20Circuit)

They should have run on Monday, looks like other days could be rain affected.

EDIT: Correction, looks like McLaren graphics team realized they put 28-30th date on the materials and they updated it to 26-30.1 so no hint from there. Hopefully we see the car tomorrow.
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FittingMechanics wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 21:00
One of their promo posts about the Barcelona test has dates 28-30.1.2026 in the bottom right. I'm not sure if the marketing guy who made the graphic got the full briefing on the run plan but it's worth mentioning.

Looking at the Norwegian weather forecast it might be worth running tomorrow. Higher temperatures than Wednesday and Thursday but it might rain. https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-tab ... 20Circuit)

They should have run on Monday, looks like other days could be rain affected.
Met Office gives maybe a less accurate but better forecast for Barcelona 28/29/30

https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/foreca ... 2026-01-30

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 20:27
Agreed. We will see the actual car tomorrow and see his first runs. Or is it Wednesday?
Wednesday is more likely I think.

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Those look like some very thick spokes on the wheels. Maybe hollow to increase tire air volume as Mercedes used to do on the rears?

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Trocola wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 10:27
Front pushrod

Interesting change, as they have been using pull rod for last seasons
The reason is because the nose is changed to raised and so the air is now able to go under and that means you want to keep obstructions away from that air. Pull Rod would put those obstructions in the way of this new air flow.

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My Tmtake on the McLaren: extremely aggressove design! :shock:

Very impressed with what McLaren has done here for a shake-down spec. Extremely thin, skeleton-esque bodywork, very small stalks holding things on, cavernous undercut, tight coke bottle. It just screams minimalist lightness.

The front wing profiles and front brake ducts are also very well developed at this stage.
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LionsHeart wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 16:35
euv2 wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 16:26
Emag wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 15:55
The 2024 car kept looking basic even when it was the leading package. No fancy inlets like Ferrari. No crazy centerline like RedBull and (although it failed) no intricate early-Mercedes front wing either. It was just a car composed of features that we already had seen on others put together. This is not the McLaren of old which tried out bizarre ideas like those L shaped sidepods or the failed octopus exhaust.

I already made a comment earlier where I stated my expectations for McLaren this year were the same. Basically, no “flashy” concept compared to RB, Ferrari and Mercedes. But this render is honestly very basic, even with that expectation in mind. Very small deviation from 2025. Which doesn’t imply that it will be slow. Because looks-wise I honestly still think there’s nothing on the surface that make the MCL38 and MCL39 look like obvious winners compared to their direct rivals. An argument could be made for MCL39’s front suspension though.
I think that was the biggest innovation of the MCL39, even Pierre Wache was interested if they could make the extreme anti dive work and they did. Body aero wise, I don't think MCL have shown as much innovation/risk as say RBR or MERC, but they were still strong enough for it to be any hinderance to the car.

Still very early to draw any conclusions from just analyzing how complex/developed a car looks.
After seeing the first renderings, I also wanted to raise the question of the front suspension. Judging by the mounting of the upper rear control arms, it's the same as last year. The anti-dive system is in place. It's nice that some features can be carried over to the completely new chassis, which has undergone critical changes to the technical regulations in all areas. If the rear suspension is still pushrod-based, how optimal will the balance be in slow corners? Any suspension experts?
In general, if we stay with the same car dimensions, if the rear suspension remains pushrod-based while the front switches from pullrod to pushrod with largely unchanged geometry, the suspension layout change alone would not fundamentally alter slow-corner balance. With the same pickup points, anti-dive characteristics, roll centres and kinematics, the basic mechanical grip distribution stays comparable. However, a pushrod front does change load paths and packaging, typically placing rockers and dampers higher in the chassis. This can slightly raise the local front-end centre of gravity and alter compliance, friction and effective wheel rates—effects that are most noticeable in low-speed corners, where small suspension movements dominate vehicle behaviour.

But if this is combined with a shorter wheelbase and a car that is around 10 cm narrower, like it is because of the new regulations, the balance implications become much more pronounced. A shorter wheelbase increases yaw response and rotation on turn-in, making the car feel more agile but also less inherently stable at the apex. A reduced track width increases lateral load transfer (that's why I would have placed a strong focus on the lowest possible center of gravity for these cars while also using the maximum permitted wheelbase, as this reduces the overall lateral load transfer, which doesn't mean that I would have chosen pull rods, which i wouldn't because of aerodynamic reasons) have shrinking the mechanical grip margin and making the balance far more sensitive to roll-stiffness distribution and tyre characteristics.

In this configuration, the car is likely to show strong initial turn-in from the shorter wheelbase, but a narrower operating window in slow corners. Depending on how well front compliance, mass distribution and roll balance are controlled, this can manifest as mild low-speed understeer or, if the rear reaches its limit first, snap oversteer at or just after the apex.

In summary, while the pullrod-to-pushrod change at the front is a secondary factor on its own, the combination of pushrod front and rear, shorter wheelbase and significantly reduced width makes slow-corner balance much more sensitive.

So - this is definetely not the suspension of 2025 in pushrod only. This would be highly negligent, because if the car becomes narrower and the wheelbase shorter, an adjustment of the suspension geometry is practically imperative, because of the negative influences of a "narrower and shorter" car. A shorter wheelbase increases yaw sensitivity and reduces the vehicle's inherent stability, while a narrower track width increases lateral load transfer per axle, thereby reducing the mechanical grip window. Without geometric countermeasures, the car would be very sensitive to steering inputs and load changes in slow corners. By adjusting the roll center heights, anti-dive and anti-squat values, as well as the camber and toe settings, the load transfer can be controlled more effectively via the suspension and the reduced grip can be better utilized. In addition, finer tuning of the mechanical balance, especially the roll stiffness distribution, minimizes the negative effects on stability and predictability. Overall, a narrower vehicle and a shorter wheelbase almost inevitably necessitate a revision of the geometry to ensure controllable and consistent handling in slow corners.

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Andi76 wrote:
27 Jan 2026, 07:53
LionsHeart wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 16:35
euv2 wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 16:26


I think that was the biggest innovation of the MCL39, even Pierre Wache was interested if they could make the extreme anti dive work and they did. Body aero wise, I don't think MCL have shown as much innovation/risk as say RBR or MERC, but they were still strong enough for it to be any hinderance to the car.

Still very early to draw any conclusions from just analyzing how complex/developed a car looks.
After seeing the first renderings, I also wanted to raise the question of the front suspension. Judging by the mounting of the upper rear control arms, it's the same as last year. The anti-dive system is in place. It's nice that some features can be carried over to the completely new chassis, which has undergone critical changes to the technical regulations in all areas. If the rear suspension is still pushrod-based, how optimal will the balance be in slow corners? Any suspension experts?
In general, if we stay with the same car dimensions, if the rear suspension remains pushrod-based while the front switches from pullrod to pushrod with largely unchanged geometry, the suspension layout change alone would not fundamentally alter slow-corner balance. With the same pickup points, anti-dive characteristics, roll centres and kinematics, the basic mechanical grip distribution stays comparable. However, a pushrod front does change load paths and packaging, typically placing rockers and dampers higher in the chassis. This can slightly raise the local front-end centre of gravity and alter compliance, friction and effective wheel rates—effects that are most noticeable in low-speed corners, where small suspension movements dominate vehicle behaviour.

But if this is combined with a shorter wheelbase and a car that is around 10 cm narrower, like it is because of the new regulations, the balance implications become much more pronounced. A shorter wheelbase increases yaw response and rotation on turn-in, making the car feel more agile but also less inherently stable at the apex. A reduced track width increases lateral load transfer (that's why I would have placed a strong focus on the lowest possible center of gravity for these cars while also using the maximum permitted wheelbase, as this reduces the overall lateral load transfer, which doesn't mean that I would have chosen pull rods, which i wouldn't because of aerodynamic reasons) have shrinking the mechanical grip margin and making the balance far more sensitive to roll-stiffness distribution and tyre characteristics.

In this configuration, the car is likely to show strong initial turn-in from the shorter wheelbase, but a narrower operating window in slow corners. Depending on how well front compliance, mass distribution and roll balance are controlled, this can manifest as mild low-speed understeer or, if the rear reaches its limit first, snap oversteer at or just after the apex.

In summary, while the pullrod-to-pushrod change at the front is a secondary factor on its own, the combination of pushrod front and rear, shorter wheelbase and significantly reduced width makes slow-corner balance much more sensitive.

So - this is definetely not the suspension of 2025 in pushrod only. This would be highly negligent, because if the car becomes narrower and the wheelbase shorter, an adjustment of the suspension geometry is practically imperative, because of the negative influences of a "narrower and shorter" car. A shorter wheelbase increases yaw sensitivity and reduces the vehicle's inherent stability, while a narrower track width increases lateral load transfer per axle, thereby reducing the mechanical grip window. Without geometric countermeasures, the car would be very sensitive to steering inputs and load changes in slow corners. By adjusting the roll center heights, anti-dive and anti-squat values, as well as the camber and toe settings, the load transfer can be controlled more effectively via the suspension and the reduced grip can be better utilized. In addition, finer tuning of the mechanical balance, especially the roll stiffness distribution, minimizes the negative effects on stability and predictability. Overall, a narrower vehicle and a shorter wheelbase almost inevitably necessitate a revision of the geometry to ensure controllable and consistent handling in slow corners.
A comprehensive and detailed answer! Thank you. While I generally understand the underlying physics and, to some extent, suspension kinematics, the use of pullrods in Ferrari's in 2012 front suspension has always been somewhat of a mystery to me. Then, in 2013, they switched back to pushrods, but now McLaren has switched to pullrods, and then they switched back to pushrods in 2014. General physics suggests aerodynamic gains? That's what I usually hear from technical experts. If I'm not mistaken, the same thing was said about Red Bull and McLaren in 2022. And now, from Rob Marshall, I learn that pushrod front suspension is dictated by aerodynamics. Let's assume that's true. As someone with a technical background, it's clear to me that some processes, in terms of tire-road interaction and how the chassis affects the tires, must change. In civilian vehicles, everything seems simpler. How much does the presence of a pushrod or pullrods affect the tires longitudinally during braking?

You mentioned dive. But in terms of sensitivity and operating range depending on the wheelbase and chassis width, I'm still pretty clear. Well, it's kind of logical. A short wheelbase gives a go-kart-like agility. In this context, I remember how Mercedes started lengthening the wheelbase every year to slightly extend the underbody, thereby increasing downforce and making the chassis more stable overall.

Overall, I was just trying to understand the critical point of swapping pushrods for pullrods, or vice versa, from a mechanical standpoint, without taking into account aerodynamics, the difficulty of setup for mechanics, and even the center of gravity due to the placement of the mechanisms within the chassis. Is there a direct correlation between how this affects corner entry, corner exit, and braking? Are there any balance changes depending on the pushrod-pusher relationship? About 13-14 years ago, when I first thought about this, I didn't get any definitive answers. It all came down to aerodynamics and how airflow flows through the suspension arms toward the sidepods and floor. From my perspective, I figured if the front suspension had pushrods, then the rear should have pullrods. If the front had pullrods, then the rear should have pushrods. Of course, in my mind, this was justified in the context of balance, not aerodynamics. From an aerodynamic standpoint, I can understand and accept it.

In any case, thank you for your detailed answer. There's something to understand and remember for the future.

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venkyhere wrote:
26 Jan 2026, 19:47
This render is a joke, not even worth discussing about.
There is a chance it's the real thing with some minor details stripped to be honest. In 2022 they did the same thing. Sidepods for example were exactly the same as in the real car, but the floor of the released renders was fake, alongside the front wing.

RedBull's livery render and Mercedes' render were very different from their real cars though so who knows. I guess one more day to find out.
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Yes I think this is going to be pretty close to the real thing except for the barge board area. And then everyone will write off the car for being boring