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Giancarlo wrote:1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.

1982–1991
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004
May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy was foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy was fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

Just how exactly did invading Iraq solve all those problems?
Giancarlo wrote:Ignoring the threat radical islam poses on western civilization is not going to make it go away. Who has a way to deal with this imminent danger better than the US/GB/Australia?

France? Spain? The UN?

Really, someone post a better way to deal with terrorism and cite a source to reinforce your stance. My stance is the 'W' stance - fight 'em on their turf, not ours.
Here's a great idea to stop the terrorism from radical Islam: stop pissing them off.

Only a complete moron would think that invading a sovereign country in a region that's notorious for its hatred of America would not cause a few problems. And only an utter imbecile wouldn't know that as horrible a person Saddam Hussein was, he had complete control over three bitterly divided Islamic sects, and that removing him was going to start a civil war.

The United States government created this problem. And it's not recent. I'm not going to cite any sources here. Do your own research. Stop getting all your information from editorials and other conservative propaganda.

Find out why we are hated. Then you'll understand.

And more for the quote-happy; here's the single dumbest statement ever made: "Bring it on." - Pres. George W. Bush to Osama bin Laden

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Thank you for that timeline Giancarlo.

The one thing the coalition forces didn't count on is that middle eastern people have pride in their culture. If they had taken that into account, maybe this could have been solved more diplomatically.

Maybe this Iraqi war will eventually change the way conflict countries will be treated in the future. We are seeing it with N Korea already and no one wants to deal with Iran using military force. I mean, we lived for many decades with Russia having nukes, even if Iran builds some, we should he able to use what we learned dealing with the CCCP.

My advice for the US... pull out of Iraq and be surprised at how the country will pull itself together. There will be some infighting but once their common enemy is gone, maybe they will concentrate on peace.

This theory is based on the fact that the US was WRONG about thinking that all Iraqi's would fall to their knees and thank the US for saving them from Saddams gov't and living a happygolucky life. So, now maybe their are wrong about doom and gloom theories of what would happen if they pulled out without "winning" the war.
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bhallg2k wrote: Here's a great idea to stop the terrorism from radical Islam: stop pissing them off.
You can't piss them off if they're all dead. Now I'm all for using force to put their dicks in the dirt, but I don't think that's what you are getting at. What you are talking about is: Adopting sharia law, no longer supporting Israel, no more haircuts, no more hotdogs, etc....or pay the [Infidel]tax when we are called to Islam. That's the way these blood thirsty imams want to see the world, anything different calls for jihad.

"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation." - Osama bin Laden - to CNN in March 1997

Thats before the 'W' administration...
bhallg2k wrote:Only a complete moron would think that invading a sovereign country in a region that's notorious for its hatred of America would not cause a few problems. And only an utter imbecile wouldn't know that as horrible a person Saddam Hussein was, he had complete control over three bitterly divided Islamic sects, and that removing him was going to start a civil war.
What civil war? If Iraq is in a civil war, so was the UK when the IRA had a bit more power. You are mixing apples and a**holes. Iraq is the theatre in which every rag-headed sociopath travels to from; Morocco, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Chechnya, the list goes on. They arrive in Iraq, partake in unconventional warfare, and ultimately get sent to go see allah courtesy of our troops.

That's not a civil war. It's a bunch of savages killing Iraqis b/c they support the US, their own military, and their own government. Eventually, Iraq will fight very hard for it and eventually will overcome the terrorists infiltrating their borders courtesy of Iran & Syria. The US will never totally leave just like we have never left Japan, Germany, Bosnia, etc...
bhallg2k wrote:The United States government created this problem. And it's not recent. I'm not going to cite any sources here.
You can't cite a source can you? Islam is the problem, not our free society. Now I don't know where you get your info, but I don't think that the Bush Administration created Islam. You may not agree, but islam has been around for quite a while.
bhallg2k wrote:] Do your own research. Stop getting all your information from editorials and other conservative propaganda.
Washington Post = conservative propaganda? Where do you get your propaganda (ex: your persistent whining that Bush lied)? A fortune cookie? I cite sources that back up what I say, pertain to what I'm saying, or post them here for people to read and make up their own mind. Like you, I could start every post with various permutations of 'The truth is' or 'the fact is' - but I don't.

Unlike liberals, I bring details to arguments - not just my opinion.
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bhallg2k wrote: Here's a great idea to stop the terrorism from radical Islam: stop pissing them off.
You can't piss them off if they're all dead. Now I'm all for using force to put their dicks in the dirt, but I don't think that's what you are getting at. What you are talking about is: Adopting sharia law, no longer supporting Israel, no more haircuts, no more hotdogs, etc....or pay the [Infidel]tax when we are called to Islam. That's the way these blood thirsty imams want to see the world, anything different calls for jihad.

"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation." - Osama bin Laden - to CNN in March 1997

Thats before the 'W' administration...
bhallg2k wrote:Only a complete moron would think that invading a sovereign country in a region that's notorious for its hatred of America would not cause a few problems. And only an utter imbecile wouldn't know that as horrible a person Saddam Hussein was, he had complete control over three bitterly divided Islamic sects, and that removing him was going to start a civil war.
What civil war? If Iraq is in a civil war, so was the UK when the IRA had a bit more power. You are mixing apples and a**holes. Iraq is the theatre in which every rag-headed sociopath travels to from; Morocco, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Chechnya, the list goes on. They arrive in Iraq, partake in unconventional warfare, and ultimately get sent to go see allah courtesy of our troops.

That's not a civil war. It's a bunch of savages killing Iraqis b/c they support the US, their own military, and their own government. Eventually, Iraq will fight very hard for it and eventually will overcome the terrorists infiltrating their borders courtesy of Iran & Syria. The US will never totally leave just like we have never left Japan, Germany, Bosnia, etc...
bhallg2k wrote:The United States government created this problem. And it's not recent. I'm not going to cite any sources here.
You can't cite a source can you? Islam is the problem, not our free society. Now I don't know where you get your info, but I don't think that the Bush Administration created Islam. You may not agree, but islam has been around for quite a while.
bhallg2k wrote:] Do your own research. Stop getting all your information from editorials and other conservative propaganda.
Washington Post = conservative propaganda? Where do you get your propaganda (ex: your persistent whining that Bush lied)? A fortune cookie? I cite sources that back up what I say, pertain to what I'm saying, or post them here for people to read and make up their own mind. Like you, I could start every post with various permutations of 'The truth is' or 'the fact is' - but I don't.

Unlike liberals, I bring details to arguments - not just my opinion.
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Pay attention, people. In a nutshell, this is why they (Arabs) hate us (Americans):
Giancarlo wrote:Islam is the problem, not our free society
It's because of you and those who think like you.

I don't mean for this to come off as an attack, but I'm done with this "debate." Because in the end, you're only going to end up making a bigger fool of yourself. And it honestly pains me to know that brand of thinking still exists in the modern, nuanced world.

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bhallg2k wrote:Pay attention, people. In a nutshell, this is why they (Arabs) hate us (Americans):
Giancarlo wrote:Islam is the problem, not our free society
It's because of you and those who think like you.

I don't mean for this to come off as an attack, but I'm done with this "debate." Because in the end, you're only going to end up making a bigger fool of yourself. And it honestly pains me to know that brand of thinking still exists in the modern, nuanced world.
http://www.jihadwatch.com

Its a collection of articles concerning radical islam gone wild. I mispoke when I said islam is the issue - I neglected to include the word 'radical'. I have many close friends, actually most of my closest buds, are islamic. Some can drink me under a table, others prefer pepperoni on their pizza and bacon on their burgers - all of them are westernized. All of them understand that murdering b/c of instructions of an imam is wrong, all of them agree that suicide bombings are wrong, all of them love this country and wish to spend the rest of their days here.

I've had political and religous discussion with them, over a few beers of course, and all agree that jihad is not an 'inner struggle' it boils down to 'those who are not muslim must die'. Jihad is spreading islam by force, spreading sharia law by force, and killing whoever stands in the way - look at the history and dispute that. If you think radical islam can be ignored, it can be ignored no more than a cancer that spreads. Shooting a woman in the face b/c he doesn't wear a hijab in the name of your religion is flat-out evil. Murdering 3000 Americans on 9/11 and celebrating is evil. The world is not a happy/shiny place. Deal with it.

According to radical islamic mantra: my friends are infidels and must die. America is fighting for their rights, their way of life, their freedoms, and their future just as much as the stereotypical white anglo-christian.

I cannot stand for that nor can I support anyone that affirms: if we leave them (terrorists & terrorist states) alone, they'll leave us alone. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Clinton historically did nothing concerning terrorism until he was sucked off by an intern...where did that get us?

Radical islam is the problem and W didn't start it. On 9/11 terrorists started a war, America will finish it. To ignore hostile nations seeking WMDs and nukes is not the best for the world and isn't an option. People do not like America b/c we have wealth and power - but when the --- hits the fan, they all wonder where Uncle Sam is.

To 'stop pissing them off' would result is Israel being leveled and millions peaceful Jews and Americans murdered in the name of jihad. Are you ok w/that?

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”
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So far, the democrats have put together a non-binding resolution to make the president look bad and undermine the troops. They want a withdrawl from Iraq, 6mo according to Billary Clinton, and in doing to they say they are for the troops...what a crock of ---.

'W' on the other hand has proposed a 'troop surge' and appointed a spineless 'yes' man to replace Rumsfeld. While I believe 'W' has the best intentions, ONLY a troop surge isn't going to make things better. A full-scale civil war will erupt, meanwhile the only people that are working hard and sacrificing (the troops) are paying the price.

Here's what I'd like to see happen in Iraq (in no particular order):
Support the troops
This means leave the lawyers of of combat decisions. No soldier or Marine should be on trial for shooting an enemy too many times. Like the old saying says: 'anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice, ammo is cheap'. The rules of engagement should be relaxed. We have the finest military on the planet, having rules that do not allow self-defense or combat is not only an oxy-moron, but it's costing lives. Let 'em fight and fight hard. The troops also should get the best armor an equipment available. If that means that all the M9 side-arms have to go on ebay to pay for .45's - so be it. The troops have been making everyone look better than they really are since the war started. Let's give 'em the good stuff. If Uncle Sam can't afford it - issue 'War Bonds'. I'd personally cancel my cable/internet and eat Ramen Noodles for 6 months to help our military get what they deserve.

Also, our military shouldn't be training the Iraqi army/police. Have private contractors handle that. With the large amount of human resources going into 'training' we could allocate our troops to where they can better be used: at home with their family, on the battlefield, or stationed elsewhere. If Uncle Sam can't afford it - cut the spending on fruitless programs.

Screw being politically correct.

Iran & Russia
Iran has been killing our servicemen/women for years - we're just now starting to hear about it. Russian anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles have been fired at our troops throughout the conflict. Who bought them? Iran bought $700 million worth of Russian arms that are being used on our men & women. Does Russia care? Not really. Recently, the Czar of Russia blasted the US for selling anti-ballistic missile defense systems to bloc countries. I guess Putin is pissed the missiles he's been whoring out to Iran are now somewhat obsolete. Meanwhile, Iranian operatives have been captured throughout the war, but until recently, have been caught and released. Now its 'kill or capture'. About damn time. Also on the Iranian front: over 100 .50cal sniper rifles have been recovered that were part of an order from Austria to Iran. The order was for 800 rifles total - over 100 have been recovered by US forces inside of Iraq - highly unlikely that they were 'misplaced'. This is another proxy war instigated by Iran.

Iran and Russia need to be pressured hard. But you can't count on the UN for this. Russia will veto anything since they supply Iran with their military and nuclear goods and is a large source of oil for Russia. Meanwhile, Russia can hold Europe hostage with it's control of resources. So the UN and EU is out.

That leaves our pals Israel, who has an outstanding record of kicking ass. If there's a time to strengthen our alliance with Israel - its 3 years ago. The Saudis have no love for Iran and control most of the OPEC reserves, leverage. Iran's economy depends 90% on the export of oil - stop the shipments and their country will suffocate. How that will happen, I have no freakin' clue. But something needs to be done, diplomatically, to send the message to the ayatollah that the world isn't going to take his crap and he can't have a nuke. Step one should be securing the borders, but the Iraqi military needs to handle that. Step 2, I have no clue - just a direction.

Iraq
Great, Iraq has new schools and hospitals. How about their power grid? Oh, that's kinda shitty isn't it? Don't you think having people realize that the lights are on in their homes, EVERYDAY, might help in the morale department? America has the finest engineers on the planet, are any in Bagdad? If so, there's not enough or they're moving too slowly. Once again, contractors are needed.

How's the legal system there? Oh, its non-existent. America has a surplus of lawyers. We have enough lawyers to stretch to Jupiter. Hell, they're on every street corner and follow every ambulance all the way to the hospital. With a 1:1 ratio of lawyers to humans in America, we could spare a few and they could aid in finalizing a 'common law' for Iraq instead of Iraqis wondering what mood the militias are in...

Ah yes, the wack-job militias. Arrest their leaders, confiscate their weapons, and disband them with immedate effect. Hell, with all the lawyers that we could send their, we could guarantee their representation in court. After the militias, find every corrupt member of their gov. and arrest them too. With Iraqi gov. officials and their very own militias in jail - the trials and sentencing should go quite smoothly.

No more militias and corrupt officials weeded out - more troops could be sent home.

How's the banking system in Iraq? Oh, its in the same league as their legal system...once again Uncle Sam needs to send its workers to set this up. When money can flow into, out-of, and within the country with ease - the economy and the people will benefit. Instead of the fear of being shot for speaking out against Saddam, Iraqis should now have to worry about their credit ratings and how much they will have to pay if they use their debit card at a different bank. 'Oooo...$2.50 to use this ATM....I'll go to my bank"

Re-deployment
Don't expect to never see US forces in Iraq. There will be bases, as their should be, to maintain some sort of order. How many bases and how many troops - I don't know. But with a modern infrastructure, a legal system, privately trained Iraqi military/police, and no-more militias - there would be no need to keep the amount of military there.

If the politicians kept the politics out of this war and actually did something besides hold conferences and commissions - Iraq would be a much different place.

All is not lost. There's hope, but throwing $ at a problem won't fix it. Get some specialists in there so Iraq can sustain itself, rid the militias, arrest the corrupt officials, seal the boarders/pressure Iran, and make sure our military has the best of the best - even if the US can't afford it.

That's my take - what about you guys?
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Oh, I forgot to add:

Vote out every spineless elected official out of the US government. Every gov. official that spends money on programs for those that got them elected instead of our troops should be kicked to the curb. Every official that is wasting time on global warming or alternative fuel (ethanol) instead of focusing money and their effort on Iraq should be beaten with their own shoes. There's bigger things on hand: like a nuclear N.Korea, an almost nuclear Iran, a dangerous Russia, and countless number of jihadists that want 'death to America'. Things are not a-ok, we're at war. But since the troops excel at kicking the crap out of anything their told to kick the crap out of - the politicians don't notice. They're worried about their careers as our armed forces sacrifice everything.

Having Pelosi throw a hissy fit about what kind of jet should get meanwhile the Walter Reed hospital is in shambles is a disgrace. Tell that bitch to take the bus and make sure the military have the finest hospitals in the world without BS paperwork and red tape. Seeing pictures of Marines using duct-tape to hold tac-lights on their rifles is upsetting when Washington blow-hards live in multi-million dollar homes.

And if I hear the word "Commission" one more god-damn time I will call for a commission on why there are so many commissions. I wonder what a republican president with military, or better yet - combat, experience would have handled the war. Someone like Oliver North: brains, balls, authority. He'd get my vote. He's battled with communism, radical islam, an has put his neck on the line for this country before. I don't see any Presidential hopeful for '08 with that pedigree - in comparison; all I see are a bunch of lawyers.
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Well, you could say: "but, Ciro, are you really thinking these serious matters are a caricature? This would mean those people are clowns.... Oh, I see, never mind"

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I tried to stay away, but I couldn't.

Giancarlo wrote:Islam is the problem, not our free society
Right! Just like they were on March 24th, 1999!

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Here's another example of islam gone mad:
No book in modern times has matched the uproar sparked by Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, which earned its author a death sentence. Furor aside, it is a marvelously erudite study of good and evil, a feast of language served up by a writer at the height of his powers, and a rollicking comic fable.
http://www.amazon.com and it's only $10.88!

Timeline of terror
* September 26, 1988: The novel is published in the U.K.

* October 5, 1988: India bans the novel's importation.

* November 21, 1988: Grand sheik of Egypt's Al-Azhar calls on Islamic organizations in Britain to take legal action to prevent the novel's distribution

* November 24, 1988: The novel is banned in South Africa and Pakistan; bans follow within weeks in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Somalia, Bangladesh, Sudan, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Qatar.

* December 1988-January 1989: British Muslims hold book burnings in Bolton and Bradford; Islamic Defense Council demands that Penguin Books apologise, withdraw the novel, destroy any extant copies, and never reprint it.

* February 12, 1989: Six people are killed and 100 injured during anti-Rushdie protests in Islamabad, Pakistan.

* February 13, 1989: One person is killed and 60 injured in anti-Rushdie riots in Srinagar, India.

* February 14, 1989: Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran issues a fatwa calling on all Muslims to execute all those involved in the publication of the novel; the 15 Khordad Foundation, an Iranian religious foundation or bonyad, offers a monetary reward for the murder of Rushdie.

* February 16, 1989: Rushdie enters the protection program of the British government and issues a statement regretting the offense the novel has caused; Khomeini responds by reiterating: "It is incumbent on every Muslim to employ everything he has, his life and his wealth, to send [Rushdie] to hell."

* February 17, 1989: Iranian leader Ali Khamenei says Rushdie could be pardoned if he apologises [4].

* February 18, 1989: Rushdie apologizes just as Khamenei has suggested; initially, Irna (the official Iranian news agency) says Rushdie's statement "is generally seen as sufficient enough to warrant his pardon".[5]

* February 22, 1989: The novel is published in the U.S.A.; two major bookstore chains, under threat, remove the novel from one-third of the nation's bookstores.

* February 24, 1989: Iranian businessman offers a $3 million bounty for the death of Rushdie.

* February 24, 1989: Twelve people die in anti-Rushdie rioting in Bombay, India.

* February 28, 1989: Two bookstores in Berkeley, California, are firebombed for selling the novel.

* March 7, 1989: Britain breaks diplomatic relations with Iran.

* March 1989: The Organization of the Islamic Conference calls on its 46 member governments to prohibit the novel. The Revolutionary Government of Zanzibar sets the punishment for possession of the book as three years in prison and a fine of $2,500; in Malaysia, three years in prison and a fine of $7,400; in Indonesia, a month in prison or a fine. The only nation with a predominantly Muslim population where the novel remains legal is Turkey. Several nations with large Muslim minorities, including Papua New Guinea, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Kenya, Tanzania, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, also impose penalties for possessing the novel.

* May 1989: Popular musician Yusuf Islam (formerly known as Cat Stevens) gives indirect support for the fatwa and states during a British television documentary, according to the New York Times, that if Rushdie shows up at his door, he "might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like... I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is." Yusuf Islam later denies giving any support to the fatwa. [6] For more on this topic see Cat Stevens: Rushdie Controversy

* June 3, 1989: Khomeini dies.

* 1990: Rushdie publishes an essay on Khomeini's death, "In Good Faith", to appease his critics and issues an apology in which he seems to reaffirm his respect for Islam; however, Iranian clerics do not retract the fatwa.

* 1990: Five bombings target bookstores in England.

* July 1991: Hitoshi Igarashi, the novel's Japanese translator, is stabbed to death; and Ettore Capriolo, its Italian translator, is seriously wounded.

* July 2, 1993: Thirty-seven people die when their hotel in Sivas, Turkey is burnt down by locals protesting against Aziz Nesin, Rushdie's Turkish translator.

* October 1993: The novel's Norwegian publisher, William Nygaard, is shot and seriously injured.

* 1993: The 15 Khordad Foundation in Iran raises the reward for Rushdie's murder to $300,000.

* 1997: The bounty is doubled, to $600,000.

* 1998: Iranian government publicly declares that it will not carry out the death sentence against Rushdie. This is announced as part of a wider agreement to normalize relations between Iran and the United Kingdom. Rushdie subsequently declares that he will stop living in hiding, and that he regrets attempts to appease his critics by making statements to the effect that he is a practicing Muslim. Rushdie affirms that he is not, in fact, religious. Despite the death of Khomeini and the Iranian government's official declaration, the fatwa remains in force, according to certain members of the Islamic fundamentalist media:

"The responsibility for carrying out the fatwa was not the exclusive responsibility of Iran. It is the religious duty of all Muslims – those who have the ability or the means – to carry it out. It does not require any reward. In fact, those who carry out this edict in hopes of a monetary reward are acting against Islamic injunctions."

* 1999: An Iranian foundation places a $2.8 million bounty on Rushdie's life.

* February 16, 2003: Iran's Revolutionary Guards reiterate the call for the assassination of Rushdie. As reported by the Sunday Herald, "Ayatollah Hassan Saneii, head of the semi-official Khordad Foundation that has placed a $2.8 million bounty on Rushdie's head, was quoted by the Jomhuri Islami newspaper as saying that his foundation would now pay $3 million to anyone who kills Rushdie."[7]

* March 2004: 16 years after the first English edition Hungarian translation is published, translator's name not specified for security reasons.

* Early 2005: Khomeini's fatwa against Rushdie is reaffirmed by Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a message to Muslim pilgrims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. Iran has rejected requests to withdraw the fatwa on the basis that only the person who issued it may withdraw it.

* February 14, 2006: Iran’s official state news agency reports on the anniversary of the decree that the government-run Martyrs Foundation has announced, "The fatwa by Imam Khomeini in regard to the apostate Salman Rushdie will be in effect forever", and that one of Iran’s state bonyad, or foundations, has offered a $2.8 million bounty on his life.

(Wikipedia)

Some muslims realize that some islamic teachings only belong in the 7th century and get along with civilization quite well. The women don't dress like ninjas, the men shave and watch Monday Night football, and are really good people.

Others...not so much. I realize this and I realize that islam is not a religion of peace. Look at their grand pooh-bah - a warrior and a politician. He spread islam by the sword, and while that might have been a-ok then - it isn't now. Don't believe me? What event marks the start of the islamic calendar? Go ahead...look it up. We embrace the separation of church and state - according to sharia, islam is the state...that isn't going to fly here, ergo a jihad on America. America looks at people of all colours and creeds the same. Islam can coexist with other religions, so long as they pay additional taxes [jizya] and are ok with being 2nd class citizens...that isn't going to fly here either... These are 7th century ideas, which in Christian terms would be equal to living by the Old Testament (war, murder, death, etc). Good thing the new version came out!

Those savages chopping off people's heads, blowing up civilians, screaming jihad and blaming America for everything really need to get their heads out of their collective asses and realize that it isn't the dark ages anymore. Look at Turkey. Perfect example of wonderful people, amazing culture, and a western civilization amongst muslim people. Anyone that talks crap about Turkish people has never met one.

Now if we [the west/infidels] can stop giving in to violent intimidation and policies of appeasement - we can maybe get somewhere. Imams, ayatollahs, and other scruffy sociopaths use a book for power and to make those who listen to them for guidance into slaves of evil. But if you think having death warrants of over $2 million, property being destroyed, people being injured and killed is perfectly acceptable b/c someone wrote a book - you need help...

And if you don't remember the Satanic Verses hoopla, perhaps you'll remember all the fuss over this:

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Look, Giancarlo, I'm glad you are against violence: we all are in this forum. What we find hard to understand is how can you claim that it can be diminished through more violence.

Besides, what the rest of us here, specially those that live in countries that are actually at war (not a theoretical, fought in other country war) find hard to understand is how you can claim that the current foreign policy of USA is defendible.

You like long lists. Let me give you one I know from the bottom of my heart: is the SHORT official list of USA wars. I did not include, for example, the Mexican invasion, or the Cherokee expulsion of their lands, because Texas, then, was not part of USA. You can find the rest (I confess I throwed the towel at the middle of the compilation), between 1776 and 1883 and between 1990 and 2003 at http://americanpeace.eccmei.net/

I hope you have the time and patience to read it. IF you are able to reach 1963, you'll find how USA helped Saddam Hussein to crush the communist party. The Iran story about Mossadegh is also enlightning. The latin american history of USA wars is, to put it simply, embarrasing.

I don't want to offend you, just give you some perspective. This way, maybe you'll be able to understand why the world fails to follow current USA foreign policy. If all the countries unjustly invaded or aggreded by USA fought back, you'll find yourself in a harder time than the one you're already living. Those who have a crystal roof don't throw rocks to the roof of their neighbors.

It seems to me that indignation and vengeance at an aggresion are not something that USA can brandish as its banner, unless that democracy wishes to become a puppet at the hands of violent people. Even a general as noble and democratic as Eiseinhower warned your country about becoming merely financers of the military. How do you know that Al-Quada don't wish to create a conflict between USA and Iran, for example?

Forgiveness, diplomacy and good will can guide us to a better world. Partial histories and horror histories, stigmatizing our enemies, are not the way to go, I think. So, my advice, if you wish to hear it, is breath deeply and concentrate on F1, buddie. As we say in spanish, your playing the part of a "donkey talking about long ears".

There you go:

1863- Japan- On July 16, US forces attacked Shimonoseki, Japan, to avenge an insult to the American flag. The attacking troops were from the USS Wyoming.

1864- Japan - US forces were used to intimidate and extort concessions demanded by the US Minister to Japan against Yedo. The campaign lasted from July 14 to August 3.

1866- Mexico - In an act of unjustified aggression, US troops under General Sedgewick, took the Mexican city of Matamoras in November. In three days the US troops were ordered to withdraw and the President of the United States repudiated this attack

Midway Islands - On August 28, Captain William Reynolds of the Lackawanna took formal possession of these islands for the U.S.

1870- Panama - On February 22, a US naval force comprising the USS Nipsic, the USS Nyack and the USS Guard raided Panama at Caldonia Bay to survey the Isthmus of Darien for a canal. This operation was known as the "Darien Expedition" and commanded by Commander Thomas O. Selfridge Jr.

1873- Colombia, Bay of Panama - US forces entered the area May 7 through 22 and again September 23 to October 9 to protect American economic interests during hostilities over control of the government of the State of Panama.

1893- Independent Hawaii - US troops are dispatched to Hawaii to support the provisional government of Sanford B. Dole against the native Hawaiians. Dole and the other American sugar growers had earlier overthrown the native Hawaiian monarchy. US troops remained in Hawaii from January 16 to April 1.

1895- Colombia - During March 8 through 9 US troops land at Bocas del Toro to protect American interests during an attack on the town by a Colombian bandit.

1898- Spain - The Spanish-American War. Spain withdrew from Cuba and ceded Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines to the United States.

1899- Philippines - In the wake of the Spanish-American War and the ceding of the Philippines to the United States, the Filipinos, demanding their independence, revolt. Large numbers of US forces are used to crush the native revolt and the war lasts until 1902. The Filipinos, under Emilio Aguinaldo had supported the Americans against Spain, but when the terms of the peace treaty were made known, the Filipinos turned against the United States, their new imperialist overlords.
Samoa US troops land in Samoa to enforce US interests and end up taking part in a bloody conflict over the royal succession on the island.
China - Boxer Rebellion

Wake Islands - Commander Taussig of the USS Bennington formally takes over the Wake Islands for the United States.

Colombia, State of Panama - US troops land to protect US financial interests and keep transit lines open during serious revolutionary disturbances, November 20 to December 4. The troops from the USS Iowa and the USS Machias actively suppressed popular Panamanian demonstrations.

1903- Panama - Once negotiations with Colombia collapsed over Panama, ten US warships aided a Panamanian rebellion against Colombia, resulting in the de jure independence of Panama, although in reality the state remained a US asset until 1999. US troops were landed on November 4, 1903 and stayed until 1914 to enforce US interests and oversee the construction of the Panama Canal.

1905- Mexico - US marines aided Mexican dictator Porfirio Díaz in crushing a worker's strike at Sonora, Mexico.

1906-Cuba - US troops occupied Cuba to "restore order and establish a stable government" against a popular insurrection on September 6. They remained until 1909.

Philippines - US troops from the USS Pampanga fought pro-independence insurgents against the American colonial regime on Jolo Island. One US soldier was awarded the Medal of Honor.

1909- Nicaragua - After liberal president José Santos Zelaya has the audacity to propose that American mining and fruit companies in Nicaragua be required to pay taxes, and worse, refused to do business exclusively with American firms, opting to allow European firms into Nicaragua - the US forces him to resign through threat of force. He is replaced by Adolfo Dííaz, who before his career as an American puppet president was the treasurer of one of the major American mining firms in Nicaragua.

1911- Honduras - US troops land in Honduras in support of former president Manuel Bonilla against the legitimate regime of Miguel Dáávila, whose liberalism was opposed by Washington. Bonilla's revolt was financed by American banana tycoon Sam Zemurray and led by the American mercenary, Lee Christmas, who became Commander-in-Chief of the Honduran Army.

Philippines - A large force of US troops landed to fight insurgents against the American colonial regime at Basilan. Five US troops were awarded Medals of Honor.

China - US forces land at various locations to guard US property, protect westerners, and enforce US interests. Troops were stationed at Wuchang, Hnakow, the US cable station at Shanghai, Nanking, Chinkiang, Taku, and elsewhere.

1912- Cuba - US troops land at Kentucky Island (August 24-26) and Camp Nicholson (August 26-30) to enforce US interests by crushing a revolt mistreated and heavily exploited sugar workers.

1914- Mexico - Mexican refusal to salute the U.S. flag provokes the shelling of Veracruz by a U.S. battleship and the seizure of parts of the city by U.S. Marines. The entire American Atlantic fleet provided troops to create the Naval Brigade, comprised of the 1st & 2nd Seaman's Regiments for the amphibious invasion which was launched on April 22. After three days of fighting 15 US troops were killed and 56 wounded. 28 Medals of Honor were awarded to US troops. This US attack on mexico results in the resignation of Mexican President Victoriano Huerta who was viewed as troublesome to Washington.

1915- Haiti - US troops land on July 18 to suppress a popular insurrection and remain in Haiti until 1934, turning Haiti into an American protectorate. The US installed president of Haiti was banned from the U.S. Officers' Club in Port-au-Prince because he was black.

1916- Mexico - In the sole act of aggression by Latin America against the United States, Pancho Villa attacked Columbus, New Mexico, killing 17 Americans. US troops immediate respond.

1917- Cuba - US troops landed to enforce American interests - securing the delivery of Cuban sugar to the US during World War I. Most of the US forces left in 1919, however a small force (two companies) remained at Camaguey until 1922.
1921- Guatemala - US President Calvin Coolidge incites Guatemalan rebels to overthrow President Carlos Herrera in the interests of the United Fruit Company

Panama - US naval forces demonstrated off the coast. The show of force was meant to warn Panama against going to war with Costa Rica over a border dispute.

Costa Rica - US naval forces demonstrated off the coast. The show of force was meant to warn Costa Rica against going to war with Panama over a border dispute.

Kingman Reef - On May 10 the US annexed Kingman Reef

1926- Nicaragua - The coup d'tat of General Chamorro aroused popular unrest. US forces first landed from May 7 to June 5. A second landing starting on August 27, 1926 was maintained until 1933. US troops were used to crush popular opposition to the government. The US Secretary of State (Kellogg) justified this suppression of popular will on the grounds of a "Nicaraguan-Mexican-Soviet" conspiracy to establish "Mexican-Bolshevist hegemony" within striking range of the US Panama Canal

1930- Dominican Republic - The US trained and backed Rafael Leonidas Trujillo establishes himself as dictator.

1932- Iowa Formers - As state officials roamed through the country side testing cattle for bovine tuberculosis and killing the animals found to be so infected, hard pressed Iowa farmers suffering from the Great Depression began to resist. This began the "Cow War". In September, two state veterinarians, escorted by 65 policemen confronted some four hundred farmers. The farmers, prevented from stopping the state officials opted instead to attack their empty cars. Gov. Dan Turner declared martial law in Cedar County and used the Iowa National Guard to crush the revolt.

American Veterans - Needy veterans formed the "Bonus Army" to demand soldier's bonuses promised earlier and marched on Washington DC. After refusing to vacate government property and a bloody clash with District of Colombia police, President Hoover called in Federal troops which broke the demonstration

1933- Iowa Farmers - Iowa farmers formed the Farm Holiday Association to resist the forced sale of their farms. In April, the group attacked a judge in plymouth County, dragging him out of the courthouse and beating him. Nearby, in Crawford County, a large crowd of dispossessed farmers attacked state police at a forced farm sale. Gov. Herring declared martial law in both Plymouth and Crawford Counties and called out the Iowa National Guard. Major General Matthew A. Tinley was appointed commander of the district and hundreds of troops from the 133rd Infantry and 168th Infantry were deployed to crush the farmer's protest. The troops imposed curfew, travel restrictions and sweep operations against disenfranchised farmers. The revolt was quickly crushed once the troops intervened against the farmers.

1934- Ohio Factory Workers - The Electric Auto-Lite Strike in Toledo, Ohio, saw two strikers killed and over two hundred wounded by the National Guard. Some 1,300 National Guard troops, including eight rifle companies and three machine gun companies, were used to crush the strike.
Anti-Union Terrorists} - Once the Minneapolis Teamsters strike began, anti-Union terrorists under the umbrella of the "Citizens Alliance" immediately engaged in strike breaking activities against the workers. After a number of clashes between workers and terrorists, in which at least two workers were killed, Governor Floyd B. Olson called out the Minnesota National Guard to restore the peace. The "Citizens Alliance" was broken and the Teamsters won the right to organize in Minneapolis.

1935- Canada - The US Army and G-2 intelligence developed a comprehensive plan for the invasion and conquest of Canada. In February 1935, the War Department arranged a Congressional appropriation of $57 million dollars to build three border air bases for the purposes of pre-emptive surprise attacks on Canadian air fields. In August 1935, the US held its largest peacetime military manoeuvres in history, with 36,000 troops converging at the Canadian border south of Ottawa, and another 15,000 held in reserve in Pennsylvania. The plan also authorized the immediate first use of poison gas against Canadians and to use strategic bombing to destroy Halifax if it could not be captured

1937- Nicaragua - With US approval and tacit support, the Somoza Family gained control over Nicaragua - The legitimate government of Juan Sacasa was overthrown by the National Guard, led by General Anastasio Somoza. Somoza appointed himself President and acquired dictatorial powers. Members of his family ruled Nicaragua for the next forty years

1938- Iowa Workers - The Iowa National Guard was used to break two worker's strikes. One against the Maytag plant at Newton and the other was against the Swift packing plant at Sioux City.

1941- Japan - On December 8, one day after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States declares war on Japan, thereby entering World War II. On December 11, Germany and Italy declare war on the United States as part of their agreement with Japan. This brings the United States into the Allied Powers in full.

Germany - Months before the US formally entered World War II, on April 10, the USS Niblack attacked a German U-boat. This was the first engagement between US and German forces related to, but not part of, World War II.

1942- Axis Powers - On November 8, US forces landed in French North Africa under General Eisenhower. In the Pacific, General Douglas MacArthur was placed in command of all Allied forces.

1943- Axis Powers - World War II continued. In 1943 the US shipped 6500 planes, 138,000 motor vehicles, and tons of steel and machinery to the Soviet Union. This enabled the Soviets to launch their successful offensives against Germany in 1943. Allied forces, including Americans, invaded Sicily on July 10. On September 3, the Allied invasion entered into southern Italy under General Eisenhower. On September 3, Italy surrendered, although the Germans stepped in and took much of northern Italy, which was placed under Mussolini.

African Americans - In Detroit, a major race riot developed involving an estimated 100,000 people, whites and blacks. The riots were suppressed by the US Army.

Honduras - The United States embassy begins actively aiding dictator Tiburcio Caríías Andino in silencing domestic dissent as being contrary to the war effort. Among the first victims was the liberal El Cronista newspaper.

1944- Axis Powers - World War II continued. Allied forces invaded central Italy. On June 6, the Normandy invasion began. By the end of the year, most of France was liberated from Germany. Allied forces, led by the US, began bombing Japan proper.

1945- Axis Powers - World War II continued. Allied forces, spearheaded by Americans, entered Germany by February. Anglo-American forces liberated northern Italy from the German backed puppet regime of Mussolini. On May 1, the Battle of Berlin began. May 8 was "V E Day", or "Victory in Europe Day". On August 6, the United States destroyed Hiroshima in the world's first nuclear attack. On August 9, a second nuclear bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. On September 2, Japan formally surrendered. However, the US state of war with Germany was maintained until 1951.

Korea - After the December 27, 1945, Moscow Conference, the United States established a military government over South Korea which remained in power until 1948. However, on September 6, 1945, the people of South Korea had established the popular People's Republic of South Korea. This government was popularly elected by several regional governing committees that had been administrating food distribution and keeping order. However, with the arrival of US troops, this popular government was crushed and the military government was established under the command of Lieutenant General John R. Hodge.

Vietnam - Ho Chi Minh, who was ill with malaria is saved by a US Office of Strategic Services (OSS, forerunner of the CIA) team. Later in the year, in September, an OSS team led by Colonel A. Peter Dewey landed in Saigon to collect intelligence. On September 26, 1945, Col. Dewey was killed in an ambush in Saigon. Both the French and the Vietminh blamed each other for the assassination. In view of how the situation developed, later the US adopted the position that the Vietminh were responsible. This was the first American killed in the Vietnam conflict.

1946- Panama - The US Army opens the notorious "School of the Americas" in US controlled Panama to train Latin American right-wing terrorists in the arts of torture, terrorism, insurrection, economic sabotage, and other skills.

1947- Greece - During the Greek Civil War, the United States firmly supported the neo-fascist government in Athens against the people of Greece. In the last five months of 1947, the US sent 74,000 tons of military equipment to the Greek rightists, including artillery, dive bombers, and stockpiles of napalm. 250 US Army officers were also sent to Greece, under the command of General James Van Fleet to serve as "advisors" to the right-wing forces. Van Fleet developed what later bacame a standard policy against popular insurrections - the policy of forcibly removing thousands of rural Greeks in an effort to isolate the popular guerrillas and remove their base of support. This US military involvement continued until the popular Greek People's Liberation Army (ELAS) called for a cease-fire in 1949.

1950- Korea - The United States begins its "police action" intervention in Korea, popularly known as the Korean War on June 27. US General Douglas MacArthur was appointed commander in Korea on July 8. By September 13 the US and South Koreans launched a major offensive successfully reversing much of North Korea's earlier advances. On October 9, US forces crossed the 38th parallel, thereby invading North Korea. However, a North Korean counter-offensive on November 1, began to drive the US forces back. After another American offensive was initiated on November 24, substantial Chinese forces intervened on behalf of the North. By the end of 1950, the Chinese\North Koreans had successfully driven the American\South Koreans back to the 38th parallel.

Vietnam - After the United States recognized Boa Dai's regime, the united States began subsidizing the French. At the same time, the Chinese began subsidizing the Vietminh. On August 3, a Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG Indochina) of US Special Forces arrived in Saigon. This early team did not play a direct combat role, merely an "advirsory" one and they complimented the ever growing number of US political, diplomatic, and economic advisors flooding into South Vietnam. By September 17, the 128 MAAG soldiers began supervising the French use of US provided military equipment. By the end of 1950, the United States was paying for half of France's war expenditure in Vietnam.

1951- Korea - The Korean War continued. A major Chinese\North Korean offensive resulted in Seoul being taken on January 4. On January 25, American\South Korean forces launched a limited offensive. On March 14, the American\South Korean forces retook Seoul. On April 3 the American\South Koreans reinvaded North Korea. General MacArthur was relieved of command on April 11 and succeeded by General Matthew B. Ridgeway because MacArthur demanded that the President should launch a full nuclear strike against both North Korea and China. A Chinese\North Korean counter-offensive that began on May 15 generally failed.

Iran - The US Central Intelligence Agency succeeded in overthrowing the government of the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh by means of a military coup after he threatened to nationalize British Petroleum holdings in Iran. The democratic government was replaced by the brutal dictatorship of the Pahlevi Shah of Iran, whose CIA trained secret police force, SAVAK, brutally crushed all opposition and popular dissent.

Canada - As part of its WMD testing program, the US disseminated potentially toxic zinc cadmium sulfide throughout downtown Winnepeg, Canada.

1954- Guatemala - President Eisenhower funded a right-wing military coup against the Indian-dominated popular government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Arbenz' error had been in expropriating 234,000 acres of land owned by United Fruit although he offered the company compensation for the land. The popular government had been legally elected and was overthrown by a mercenary force that had been trained by the CIA in Honduras and Nicaragua and supported by four US fighter planes flown by US pilots. After the invasion, Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, who had received US military training at Fort Leavenworth, KS earlier, was installed as dictator. Armas, once installed in power, returned all 234,000 acres of land to the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, abolished the tax on interest and dividends to foreign investors, eliminated the secret ballot, and jailed thousands of political critics. Not surprisingly, CIA Director Allan Dulles was also a shareholder in United Fruit.

1956- China - Starting in 1956, the CIA began financing, supporting, and supplying the Tibetan resistance movement against the Chinese. Most of the Tibetan resistance fighters came from the eastern region of Kham. The operation, codenamed "St. Circus", largely involved the training of Tibetan resistance fighters at Saipan and Camp Hale, Colorado, where they were taught guerrilla warfare. Once trained, the Tibetan fighters would be airdropped by the CIA into Tibet with weapons and equipment, where they were supposed to link up with other resistance fighters and the Dalai Lama's government in Lhasa. After the Chinese crackdown on the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama was forced to flee Tibet, the CIA backed resistance fighters moved their base of operations to Mustang, Nepal, where they continued to launch attacks on the Chinese. Lhamo Tsering became the chief field officer for the CIA in Tibet and Mustang. At its height, the CIA maintained some 2,000 Tibetan resistance fighters, structured in a conventional military organization, at the base at Mustang. In 1969 the CIA abruptly dropped all support for the Tibetan resistance. Although the resistance managed to struggle on until 1974, the lack of US financing and supplies after 1969 eroded their effectiveness.

1957- Indonesia - After years of disinformation campaigns, and attempt to use pornographic films as a blackmail device, and finanacing President Sukarno's political opposition, the CIA launched direct operations against the Indonesian government. The CIA set up headquarters in Singapore, training facilities in the Philippines, and other bases in the region. The CIA began a massive campaign to arm political rebels in Indonesia. US Navy submarines began transporting rebel infiltraitors into Sumatra and US Air Force planes were used to air drop weapons and equipment to rebel forces already in the country. US forces from the Seventh Fleet also went ashore.

Iran - In 1957 the CIA, along with British intelligence, created the SAVAK secret police for the Shah of Iran. SAVAK quickly became an enormous intelligence monstrosity, infiltrating all aspects of Iranian society as well as running extensive networks abroad, largely focused on Iranian students overseas. Virtually independent from the start, the Shah himself had to create a separate "Special Intelligence Bureau" based in one of his palaces just to keep tabs on SAVAK. SAVAK operated as a virtual independent government in Iran, running all its own facilities and lacking virtually any oversight. The organization also became notorious for its extensive use of various torture techniques against any and all opponents of the Shah's regime, regardless of orientation. After the popular riots and demonstrations against the Shah's brutal police state in 1978, SAVAK responded with a massive crackdown, which killed some 12,000 to 15,000 Iranians and wounded\maimed up to another 50,000. The organization was finally outlawed and dismantled after the Islamic Revolution and most of its leadership that remained in Iran was executed. Those abroad were given safe haven by the United States and Britain. Many of them came to lead many of the Iranian monarchist exile groups. Throughout the entire brutal life of SAVAK, it remained closely related to supported and 'advised' by the American CIA.

Laos - The CIA's Civil Air Transport (CAT, also known as "Air America") began its permanent presence in Laos on July 1, 1957.

1958- China - After the Chinese government began shelling the rebel islands of Quemoy and Little Quemoy (under control of the Nationalist rebels in Taiwan), the US deployed an aircraft carrier and four destroyers to Taiwan to defend the rebels. On September 8, the US ships escorted rebel supply ships to the islands under Chinese attack, and the Chinese, opting not to confront the United States, withheld their fire, allowing the convoy safe passage.

Lebanon - Eight thousand US troops are landed in Lebanon at the request of Jordan and President Chamoun of Lebanon in reaction to the July 14, coup in Iraq. The US troops made sure that the pro-American government was not overthrown by the people. But by November, through a UN negotiated settlement, the US troops were withdrawn.

Indonesia - The rebellion that the CIA began organizing in 1957 finally erupted in Indonesia. CIA pilots supported the rebel offensives with bombing and strafing missions on the Indonesian government forces. The Indonesian military attache to Washington, Col. Alex Kawilarung, defected from his country and became the CIA's frontman leading the rebel forces against President Sukarno. The CIA bombing intensified on May 15 when CIA pilots bombed the Ambon marketplace on a Sunday morning, killing hundreds of Christians on their way to church. On May 18, the Indonesians successfully downed one of the CIA planes and captured its pilot alive. Allen Lawrence Pope, an Air Force pilot during the Korean war and CIA pilot involved in supplying the French in Vietnam, remained an Indonesian prisoner for four years. The Indonesians quickly made this confirmation of US involvement public. After this incident, and the continued failure of the CIA backed rebels to win significant victories over the government, the United States began curtailing its support for the rebels. By July, the Indonesian government had successfully crushed the US-backed rebels.

1959- Haiti - The US military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. Duvalier's "Tonton Macoute" secret police terrorized the population by means of machetes, incredibly sadistic multilation and torture, and voodoo superstition. Before the fall of the Duvalier family, who are rescued by US forces, over 100,000 Haitians were killed and even more mutilated and tortured. At no point does the United States criticize their puppet's ruling style.

1960- Ecuador - After the popular Jose Maria Velasco Ibarra was elected and refused to comply with US demands that Ecuador break relations with Cuba and begin an active campaign against domestic Communists, the US launched a series of operations in Ecuador. These included extensive infiltration of Ecuadorian political groups, both Left and Right, as well as the creation of numerous phoney organizations to stimulate destabilization and agitate political disturbances. The CIA extensively infiltrated the government as well, virtually taking control of the national postal service as well as the immigration department. Using control of the mail and communications, the CIA collected intelligence while simultaneously running multiple disinformation campaigns to cause splits and divisions among Ecuadorian Communists and others deemed a threat. The CIA also began financing and manipulating Ecuadorian right-wing groups, especially using religion as an Anti-Communist lever, creating militant right-wing anti-Communist religious formations. The CIA would also bomb right-wing groups and lay the blame on the Left in order to further encourage anti-Communist violence and revenge terrorist attacks. The CIA then organized the overthrow of Velasco, who was replaced by Vice President Carlos Julio Arosemana, a paid CIA employee (US$1,000 a month). However, this paid CIA agent also refused to break off relations with Cuba, so US operations in Ecuador continued. In March 1962 the CIA used its influence in the Ecuadorian military to threaten a coup if Arosemana did not comply with US demands regarding Cuba. Forced by the military to accept a new cabinet, amounting to a de facto coup, Arosemana complied with US demands. The military coup resulted in a popular revolt of the people, but this was quickly crushed by the US trained and armed military. In 1963, the CIA and and Ecuadorian military dropped the pretense and replaced President Arosemana with an overt military junta. The military immediately outlawed communism and began using the CIA's Subversive Control Watch List to round up Communists and other Leftist throughout the country. Through the standard "state of emergency", the military suspended all civil liberties in Ecuador, the 1964 elections were cancelled. The CIA having a proper American dictatorship installed, ceased all disruption operations in Ecuador and overtly supported the junta as an ally against Communism.

Soviet Union - Although US spying flights over the Soviet Union were not uncommon during the period, such operations became undeniable on May 1, 1960 when the Soviets shot down a US U-2 spy plane over its territory and captured its pilot, Francis Gary Powers. Sentenced to ten years as a spy by the Soviets, Powers was released in a spy exchange with the United States on February 10, 1962.

Cuba - President Eisenhower authorized the CIA to begin operations against Fidel Castro in Cuba. The CIA tries to assassinate Castro with exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes. The CIA also launches a terrorist campaign in Cuba in hopes of destabilizing the regime, including burning agricultural fields, blowing up vessels in Cuban ports and industrial sabotage.

1961- Cuba - A Cuban rebel force, armed and trained by the United States and supported by US military logistical support and the Alabama National Guard attempted an invasion of Cuba. This "Bay of Pigs" invasion turned into an utter fiasco and was easily beaten back by Cuba.

Dominican Republic - The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator supported by the United States since 1930. Trujillo's business interests had grown to some 60% of the entire national economy and were becoming a threat to American business interests.

1962- Cuba - As the Cuban Missile Crisis developed, on October 24, President Kennedy imposed a air and naval blockade on Cuba. This was coupled with US military flights over Cuban airspace. On November 20, the United States ended its blockade of Cuba after the crisis was resolved with the Soviet Union.

Guatemala - In March 1962, popular unrest against the US backed military regime of General Miguel Ydigoras Fuentes erupted, started by students, but soon joined by workers and peasants (almost all of whom were Indians). In order to crush the popular will of the Guatemalan people, the US quickly increased military aid to the Ydigoras regime and set up a training facility Izabal Province staffed by US Special Forces and Guatemalan officers trained at the notorious American "School of the Americas". The Guatemalan military launched an immediate reign of terror, under US supervision, starting with hundreds being abducted and killed.

Brazil- The CIA begins an active operation in Brazil to prevent Joãão Goulart from taking control of Congress. yet another instance of subverting democracy to defend 'democracy'.

1963- Dominican Republic - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup and installs a repressive right-wing junta.

Vietnam - On November 1, the South Vietnamese military, led by General Duong Van Minh, overthrew the civilian government of Diem with CIA approval and cooperation. Diem had lost US favor and although the CIA did not play a direct role, it was aware of the plot from the start, supported it by promising non-intervention by US forces and quick recognition of the succeeding military regime. President Kennedy personally instructed the US State Department and Ambassador Lodge in Saigon to support the coup.

Iraq - From February to November 1963, the CIA extensively aided the Iraqi Ba'athists (the party of Saddam Hussein) in a large national massacre of Iraqi Communists. Among those slaughtered were Salam 'Adil, First Secretary of the Iraqi Communist Party.

1964- Vietnam - The USS Maddox and US aircraft engaged in a skirmish with North Vietnamese torpedo boats after South Vietnamese naval raids on the North. Two days later, on August 4, a second skirmish between North Vietnamese topedo boats and US naval warships resulted in US airstrikes on North Vietnamese oil and naval installations. The matter was brought before the United Nations for mediation. Later, especially since the end of the war, new information indicates that the US probably provoked the incident in order to agitate Congress into granting the President war making powers in Vietnam. Not long after this "Gulf of Tonkin Incident", on August 7, Congress passes the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" which allowed the president wide powers to prevent further attacks and to provide military assistance to any South Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) member state. Senators Wayne L. Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska cast the only opposing votes. General William Westmoreland replaced General Harkins as head of the U.S. forces in Vietnam and President Johnson initiated bombing raids against North Vietnam. President Johnson also imposed an embargo on North Vietnam which continued until 1994.

Brazil - A CIA backed military coup overthrew the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaced it became one of the most blood thirsty in history. General Castelo Branco created Latin America's first death squads (secret police who hunt down "Communist" for torture and murder, usually just political opponents). Later it was revealed that the CIA trained these death squads.

1965- Vietnam - After President Johnson started bombing North Vietnam in 1964, the US role in the Vietnamese civil war escalated. On March 8\9 the first US combat troops entered South Vietnam, to compliment the thousands of US troops that were already there in an "advisory" role. On April 7, President johnson authorized the use of US ground troops for offensive actions against North Vietnam. Subsequently, November 14-16 saw the first large scale engagement between US troops and the North Vietnamese Army. As noted earlier, the US had been involved in Vietnam since 1945, however, 1965 saw the true beginning of the American "Vietnam War", which continued until 1973. The embargo imposed on North Vietnam by President Johnson continued until 1994.

African Americans - Starting on August 11 and lasting until August 17, a major race riot envelops Watts, a district of Los Angeles. The Watts Riots resulted in 35 people being killed, approximately 1,000 wounded and almost $50,000,000 in property damage. Fire damage is later estimated to be $175,000,000. Some 50,000 local and State police and National Guard troops are used to suppress the riots.

Greece - Because Prime Minister George Papandreou refused to give in to US demands on settling the Cyprus issue, the CIA under John Maury, head of the CIA station in Athens, helped King Constantine buy Centre Union Deputies for the parliament, resulting in the end of the Papandreou government. However, Papandreou's popularity was too great, leading to the US outright abolishing democracy in Greece in 1967 (see that year).

Laos - 1965 saw the start of the major American military operations in Laos that became known as the "secret war" although it wasn't all that secret. US air sorties over Laos averaged between 10 to 20 a day in 1965.

Guatemala - With US support, the Peralta regime was replaced by that of Julio Cesar Mendez Montenegro (1966), who began his career as a total US puppet, allowing the US to do as it pleased and happily doing what he was told by Washington. Nevertheless, the US backed military still maintained firm control over the country. Mendez was nothing but a "yes man." After Mendez was installed, US intervention, directed by Col. John D. Webber of the American Military Mission, radically expanded. The US began shipping US military equipment, helicopters, and weaponry into Guatemala in much larger numbers. They also organized civilian "hunting bands" who were officially licensed to kill Indians as "potential guerrillas" at whim. After this time, US Special Forces began joining Guatemalan military attacks on peasant villages. It was also revealed by Thomas and Marjorie Melville, American Catholic missionaries in Guatemala, that the CIA also began actively flying bombing and strafing missions against the peasantry. The prefered aircraft being specially modified F-51(D) fighters, modified for slaughtering ground based peasants - 50 cal machineguns, small rockets, and limited napalm bombs. US aircraft also launched napalm bombing missions from US bases in Panama.
The US Agency for International Development (USAID) and the US Office of Public Safety (OPS) began a major operation to radically expand the Guatemalan police forces and to militarize them. By 1970 USAID reported that over 30,000 Guatemalan police had received OPS training, including torture techniques, "disappearances", and other terrorist training.

African Americans - A few weeks after the race riots in Newark, New Jersey, new race riots developed in Detroit, Michigan. The Detroit riots see 43 people, 33 blacks and 10 whites, killed. Property damage is two to three times that of the earlier Newark riots. Local and State police and National Guard troops were used to quell the violence although their original deployment results in increased confusion and violence. Governor Romney received permission from President Johnson to call in Federal troops, but the Governor was able to suppress the riots with police and National Guard forces alone.

Greece - Two days before elections, likely to be won by the liberal George Popandreous, the CIA backed a military coup which resulted in the "Reign of the Colonels". During the next six years of military control, the use of torture and murder against political opponents becomes the norm in Greece. The new military dictator, George Papadopoulos, had been a paid CIA employee since 1952 and prior to that distinguished himself as an effective leader of the Nazi "Security Battalion" in Greece that effectively hunted down and killed Greek resistance fighters to the Nazi occupation of Greece. Papadopoulos immediately declared martial law and in the first month of his regime counted some 8,000 victims. He then appointed himself prime minister. The US finally admitted its support for the Greek fascists in 1999.

1968- Vietnam - On January 21, the Battle of Khe Sanh began and continued to rage for the next six months. On March 16, US troops under William L. Calley Jr. massacred over 150 unarmed civilians in the "My Lai Massacre".

American Students - On May 4, National Guard troops opened fire at American students at Kent State University in Ohio. Four unarmed students were murdered outright, another was permanently paralyzed, and eight others were wounded by gunfire. Some of the victims were involved in an anti-war protest, but others were merely walking by the killing zone on their university campus.

1973- Chile - The CIA overthrew Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader, Salvador Allende in Chile. This was sparked by Allende's nationalization of US corporate holdings in Chile. The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, under whose dictatorship thousands of Chileans, especially labor leaders and members of the political Left, were tortured and killed by way of "disappearances". The CIA continued to aid Pinochet for years after his installation as dictator.

Uruguay - The US supports a military coup which resulted in a military government. The subsequent regime gains the distinction of having the highest percentage of the population imprisoned for political reasons.

Native Americans - In February, a group of tradionalist Lakota 'strong-hearted women', Lakota spiritual leaders and American Indian Movement activists converge on a site near the Wounded Knee Massacre (see 1890). Among the issues that motivated the protest were cheap land leases by the tribal government to non-Indians on the Pine Ridge Reservation, tribal chairman Dick Wilson's suspension of his own impeachment hearings, and police brutality on the reservation. They declared an independent Oglala Nation in opposition to the BIA-dominated Pine Ridge Reservation tribal council. They also call on the federal government to honor its treaty of 1868 (see that year) with the Lakota people by recognizing Indian sovereignty on the reservation and removing federal officials. Wounded Knee Village is quickly surrounded by Lakota tribal police, BIA police, federal marshals, tribal vigilantes and FBI snipers. These forces are supported by National Guard troops and hardware including armored personnel carriers and helicopter gunships. Native American activists from around the country began arriving to support "Wounded Knee II" and the tribal councils on the Crow and Northern Cheyenne reservations cancelled mining leases on their lands in support of the sovereignty claims made by the Pine Ridge traditionalists. Over the next 71 days, negotiations and sporadic small arms confrontations happened. The US Army recommended a full scale military assault while urging restraint from the civilian forces surrounding the activists. During the fire fights, several people are wounded on both sides and two Indians - Frank Clearwater (Cherokee) and Buddy Lamont (Oglala Lakota) were killed. The confrontation ends in May when federal negotiators agree to sit down and discuss US treaty obligations stemming from the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868 with the Lakota.

1979- Afghanistan - With the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the CIA began arming any and all factions willing to fight the Soviets. Most of the benefactors of US weaponry were Islamic fundamentalist mujahedin groups. Among those who received arms from the US was the Egyptian Sheikh Abdel Rahman who was implicated in the first World Trade Center bombing in New York. The CIA also financed a little known Sunni fundamentalist group called Al Qaeda who recruited Islamic extremists from around the world and employed them against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The CIA-backed Al Qaeda lost funding from the US after the Soviet withdrawal, and led by the now famous Osama Bin Laden, turned against the US 1991 with the stationing of US troops in Saudi Arabia for the Gulf War against Iraq. Al Qaeda and Bin Laden were responsible for the most devastating terrorist attacks in US history on September 11, 2001.

Nicaragua - In 1979 the US backed dictator Anastasios Samoza II falls and is replaced by the Marxist Sandinistas. The Sandinista regime becomes quite popular because of their commitment to land reform and anti-poverty programs. Samoza had a murderous personal army that he used as his own private secret police force in Nicaragua known as the National Guard. With the fall of the Samoza government, the surviving members of the National Guard became the Contra rebels, who fought a CIA armed and financed guerilla war against the Sandinistas throughout the 1980's.

1980- El Salvador - After Archbishop Oscar Romero of San Salvador appealed to President Carter to stop financing the brutal right-wing government "Christian to Christian", Salvadoran strongman Roberto D'Aubuisson has Romero shot to death while saying Mass. Soon thereafter the country dissolves into civil war. The CIA and the US military supply the military government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority over the rebels who were mostly poor peasants. The CIA began training the right-wing Salvadoran death squads as well. By 1992 some 63,000 Salvadorans were killed in the fighting.

Cambodia - Following the Carter administration's lead, in 1980, Ray Cline, Deputy Director of the CIA and Reagan's senior foreign policy advisor, went to Cambodia and met with the Khmer Rouge to arrange an increase in US support for Pol Pot against the Vietnamese backed government of Phnom Penh.

Honduras - The US begins basing Nicaraguan Contra terrorists in Honduras as well as using Honduran territory to support El Salvadoran right-wing death squads. In exchange, US military aid to Honduras is radically increased and death squads are established to eliminate Honduran dissidents.

1981- Zambia - The Reagan administration, which openly supported Apartheid South Africa, was strongly opposed to Kaunda because of his strong opposition to Apartheid and his support for the African National Congress and SWAPO. In 1981, Zambian security forces stopped a plot by dissidents and "South African commandos" to assassinate President Kaunda and seize power. It was reported (Africa News, July 13, 1981) that the CIA had recruited Zambians in an effort to examine "the possibility of an alternative leadership in the country."

Nicaragua - In the continuing support for the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua against the Sandinistas that began in 1979, the CIA begins selling weapons to Iran, via Israel, and using the profits to finance the Contras. This later becomes known as the "Iran-Contra Affair". 1981 also saw the issuance of the Freedom Fighter's Manual by the CIA to Contra terrorists which includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, torture, murder, and political assassination. 1981 also saw the US applying pressure to the International Monetary Fund and World Bank to limit and reduce loans to Nicaragua as well as the imposition of a economic embargo.

1982- Guatemala - General Efrain Rios Montt seized control of Guatemala with US support. After this coup, US arms shipments to Guatemala increased. Rios Montt immediately declared a state of emergency, doing away with any pretense to the rule of law. Within the first six months of his rule 2,600 Indians were massacred and during his 17 month administration he oversaw the complete destruction of 400 Indian villages. Reagan made a state visit and publicly stated his belief that Rios Montt was perfectly acceptable.

Cambodia - In order to help "rehibilitate" the image of Washington's allies, the Khmer Rouge, in their war against the Phnom Penh government of Cambodia, the US announced the creation of a new coalition of Cambodian rebel forces dominated by the Khmer Rouge. After the formation of this "coalition" Chinese aid to the rebels increased as did US aid, both official and unofficial

1983- Grenada - 2,700 US troops were used to invade and occupy Grenada in order to remove a government deemed undesirable by the United States. The US occupation of this country remained until 1984.

Lebanon - The 1,200 US troops sent to Lebanon in 1982 remained in the country. On October 23, 1983 a successful Hizbollah truck bomb killed 241 US Marines of the 24th Marine Amphibious Unit and seriously damaged the US Marine barracks in Beirut, which led directly to the withdrawal of American troops in 1984. It is for this reason that the United States still considers Hizbollah a "terrorist organization" although Hizbollah has not engaged in terrorist activities since the 1980's, opting instead for legitimate armed resistance against Israeli military targets occupying Southern Lebanon, and continuing to this day in the Israeli occupied Shebaa Farms district. On December 4, 1983, US warplanes from the USS John F. Kennedy and the USS Independence launched vengence strikes at Lebanese positions.

1984- Nicaragua - Congress stops all funding for the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua by the final Boland Amendment in 1984. However, CIA Director William Casey simply turns the operation over the Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continued supplying the Contra terrorists through the CIA's informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by the Iranian arms sales.
1984 also saw the United States mine three Nicaraguan harbors. Nicaragua brought the issue before the World Court and won a $18 billion judgement against the United States for this act aggression. The US responded by refusing to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case.

Lebanon - President Reagan ordered the CIA to launch a terrorist strike against Hizbollah's Sheikh Fadlallah in Lebanon. In the process, the CIA managed to kill 80 Lebanese by means a car bomb. However, the target, Sheikh Fadlallah was not aong those murdered. As a consequence, Preident Reagan cancelled the CIA's "license to assassinate" on April 10.

Nicaragua - Nicaragua shoots down a US C-123 transport plane carrying weapons and military supplies to Contra terrorists. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be CIA employee, as do the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to a CIA front company, Southern Air Transport. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan's claims that there was no illegal funding of the Contra terrorists by the United States.

Haiti - A popular revolt against "Baby Doc" Duvalier, results in his evacuation, by the United States, to southern France where he is to settle down to a comfortable retirement with millions of dollars he stole from Haiti. The CIA then begins working to install another right-wing dictator, but popular unrest against yet another US imposed dictator keeps the political situation unstable for the next four years. In an attempt to strengthen the military against the people, the CIA creates, trains and supplies the National Intelligence Service (SIN) which suppresses popular revolt and free _expression by means of torture and assassination.

1988- Iran - On July 3 the USS Vincennes, a US cruiser with the world's most advanced air defense \ air tracking system (the Aegis System) invaded Iranian territorial waters and then shot down Iran Air Flight 655 to Dubai, killing 290 civilians. For their heroism in massacring 290 defenseless Iranian passagers, the entire crew of the USS Vincennes were awarded combat action ribbons and Commander Lustig, the air warfare coordinator, received the Navy's Commendation Medal for his "heroic achivement". Although the Navy claimed the attack was a "mistake" this was done tongue in cheek (as is clearly shown by the military decorations awarded to the killers) and then they repeatedly lied about the circumstances and tried to cover the affair up. The cover up was largely revealed through an independent Newsweek investigation and later admitted by the US Navy.

Honduras - In 1988, US troops entered Honduras to prevent Nicaraguan forces from making incursions into Honduras to combat US-supported Contra terrorists. This deployment successfully stopped Nicaraguan incursions into Honduras, thereby providing the Contra terrorists with a safe haven to launch their attacks into Nicaragua. Although the Nicaraguan issue has been settled for years, US troops remain in Honduras to present. Today this consists of an infantry task force that works with the Honduran military.

1989- Panama - The US invaded Panama, nominally to oust General Manuel Noreiga from power but also to enforce US interests regarding the canal which was scheduled to be returned to Panama in 1999. Noreiga was captured, given a show trial, and imprisoned for life in isolation in the United States. Official US casualties were 23 US troops killed in action but this is questioned because of the media blackout that was instituted during the invasion. General Manual Noreiga had been supported by the CIA since 1966 and his drug smuggling was known to the CIA from 1972. However, his growing independence and instransigence resulted in Washington turning against him.

1990- Haiti - Competing against ten relatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide won the elections with 68% of the national vote. However, after only eight months in power, the CIA-backed military deposed him. As more military strongmen begin crushing the Haitian people, Haitian refugees began escaping trying to make it to the United States on barely seaworthy rafts. As popular opinion calls for Aristide's return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as being mentally unstable. As for General Prosper Anvil, one of the military dictators who enjoyed mutilating his opposition and then showing the results of his work on Haitian televiaion, after being forced out in 1990, the US government evacuated him from Haiti and allowed him to retire with as much loot as could bring with him to a comfortable retirement in Florida.

Bulgaria - The US "National Endowment for Democracy" (NED), an intelligence outfit meant to encourage US puppet regimes began pouring in money, more than $2,000,000, to influence Bulgaria's first democratic elections in forty-five years. All US financing went to America-friendly anti-Communist factions. This was all done overtly, even the US ambassador openly endorsed the "Union of Democratic Forces" or UDF on election day. At the same time, the State Department publicly criticized the Socialist Party. European observers monitored the elections and certified their legitimacy. After the first round, the Socialist Party won. The US backed opposition took to the streets claiming fraud, though the EU observers stood by their observations that the elections were completely free and open. The US financed UDF, as well as the US NED financed Federation of Independent Student Associations began a series of daily protests. US NED began providing even more equipment and financing to the student protesters and the UDF. The US financed war against democracy in Bulgaria scored a significant victory when it forced Socialist President Mladenov to resign. The next victim of the US war against democracy in Bulgaria was Interior Minister Smerdjiev. Finally on August 1, the US financed agitator Zhelyu Zhelev, leader of the UDF was elected President of Bulgaria. The opposition leaders were quite candid about the US support they received to coerce the democratic government into meeting its demands. The US backed efforts against the democratic will of the Bulgarian people resulted in political and economic chaos ever since.
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Look, Giancarlo, I would like to recommend to you that you pick up that book and read it. I have, and I know why there was a price on Rushdie's head, why his publisher was shot, why they want his head on a platter over in Indonesia. The book downright insults Islam. And we all know (especially the Americans after 9/11), what their religion means to them. That is why I, and most of us here, keep telling you that if you leave them alone, if you don't place your noses in everybody's business as you try to play a role of the world police, your country would not live in such fear.

I came to U.S. from one of the most peaceful countries on this planet, and I was shocked to see how the people in this country live...they are all in fear. You see, in Canada, I've never experienced fear...simply because most of us don't care about other people's religions, beliefs, etc. Maybe, it's time for you guys to do the same.

You keep talking about Islam as a horrible religion (and then you wonder why they hate you). You know what..I agree that some of the things that they do are not acceptable. But remember that (I'm presuming you're a Christian) even your religion has had its bad moments. Remember the dark ages? Islam was far ahead of the Christians during those times.

The bottom line, when talking about religion, is that it is not your business what they do to their women (btw, saying that their women dress like ninjas is highly disrespectful). And if you really care about women's right, and how people are being deprived of basic human rights, why don't you mobilize your troops to the South-West? I'm sure you'll find ample supply of abused people who are in need of rescue!

However, you didn't go to Iraq to give them the freedom...you went after WMD...or was it the oil, I forget. And now you fu*ked it up. Now you've pissed them off even more.

But, I would like you to answer me one question...which you have avoided (I'll take the blame for that as it wasn't worded as a question). If Islam is such a problem, then why are there examples of US supporting the same terrorists which hate you so much, most recently in March 1999.

Now, don't bother looking it up on O'Rielly's site, because he won't have it.

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f1.redbaron wrote:=
However, you didn't go to Iraq to give them the freedom...you went after WMD...or was it the oil, I forget. And now you fu*ked it up. Now you've pissed them off even more.
Yet again, another claim that we went to Iraq for the oil, and no fact to support this. Will everyone that has said that military action in Iraq was for the sole purpose of the US to take over their oil resources explain why our oil prices haven't gone down? If we really are pumping it out of the ground and sending it here, the prices would have fallen.I'm really effin tired of hearing this in forms from a joke to a declaration without proof. You guys that talk of this as fact are really getting on my nerves. We also did find the weapons we were looking for. Just not to the satisfaction of the world, which I really don't care about what they say about us. We found over 500 chemical weapons they had stored, but they were too 'old' apparently to be dangerous. I want to know exactly how you figure out that it's not 'dangerous' anymore. Take the lid off and sniff it? I personally think that all those weapons are either buried in the middle of the deserts out there, or in Syria. I've seen ENTIRE MiG-29s buried full of ordnance and fuel buried in the sand out there, so I'm suspicious that they are there somewhere, but we are too busy screwing things up trying to control a civil war.

And if you think peaceful negotiations are the answer, you are both wrong and right. It will work if your enemy is willing to do the same. If not, the only answer is pummeling them until their will is broken. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq at all. But we are there and we have to do something to fix what we messed up.

As far as the attacks from Islamic crazies out there, if they hate the government so much, why did they kill innocent civilians? Why do they kill those that aren't actively trying to kill them the world over? They attacked British civilians and Spanish civilians. Whom never fired a shot at them, yet they murdered them in cold blood for insane religious reasons. If they were so upset at US policy, why didn't they blow up the White House? Explain that.