NSX or M3?

[checkered]

A couple of

vids of Senna driving an NSX. Infuriatingly, in the first one, the engine sound is covered by moody ambient music ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=izaWlKxVo1A& ... ed&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yAwJsOECGBU& ... ed&search=

[pyry]

Oh and the good news is that it's just as reliable as any other Honda and fairly inexpensive to maintain. Go for it!

thats not a very good thing

[pRo]

Oh and the good news is that it's just as reliable as any other Honda and fairly inexpensive to maintain. Go for it!

thats not a very good thing

Compared to other supercars, it is a very good thing.

[mx_tifoso]

Something that might add some more points in favor of the M3, the new M3 Sedan! Amazing overall design, high performance, and family friendly, what an amazing combination.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/seda ... -m3-sedan/

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/3388 ... Sedan.html

[Ogami musashi]

About the Nsx,

Have a low drag, good handling, and in fact is still in use in SuperGT (okay like the others, it is completly modified) while nissan and toyota replaced their skyline and supra...and the crazy thing is that the nsx are winning in the GT500 class!


I'd go for the nsx then, like the skyline the handling is really good and this is something special.

[Scuderia_Russ]

The NSX interior is awful.

[SZ]

Something that might add some more points in favor of the M3, the new M3 Sedan! Amazing overall design, high performance, and family friendly, what an amazing combination.

crap, the current M3 suffers bloat. who seriously carries a family when going hard - you barely need the passenger seat, the rears are supposed to be decorative.

if you want to cart people around in an executive boy racer wannabe there's the M5. put the new next to the current 5 and there's not much dimensionally between then. FFS it's bigger than the original m5 in any dimension you can name.

drive an original M3, you might forgive a last-generation CSL, nothing more.

the NSX isn't a particularly low drag vehicle (don't know where you got that), but it handles great, is well built, and sounds fantastic.

probably the first real instant classic to come out of japan in a while.

[Ogami musashi]

http://www.mayfco.com/acura.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile ... efficients

[SZ]

http://www.mayfco.com/acura.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile ... efficients

and?

there's lower drag vehicles than that, and at any rate - who gives a sh*t!

very little about sports car aero is focussed on drag alone!

[Ogami musashi]

come on, if you're goal is to have the last word okay i give it to you: yes the nsx is not the lowest drag coefficient of cars!

Happy?!


I was just saying that compared to some other GT and even supercars the NSX was a low drag car, and especially as it interests us, less drag than an M3.

Who cares? well who cares about aero drag? after all cars are just objects that travel through air so why bother with this...

Acceleration and fuel mileage are some words that are familiar to you i presume.

I didn't say also drag was the only factor, it is just a factor added to several other.

[Tom]

Unfortunetly Mass and Torque have a far larger effect on acceleration and fuel consumption, the driver is a huge factor too.

[Ogami musashi]

If you drag less , you need less power= less consumption.

Of course mass and torque affect it, never said the contrary, but drag is not an immaterial data, especially with sports cars.

[SZ]

come on, if you're goal is to have the last word okay i give it to you: yes the nsx is not the lowest drag coefficient of cars!

Happy?!


I was just saying that compared to some other GT and even supercars the NSX was a low drag car, and especially as it interests us, less drag than an M3.

Who cares? well who cares about aero drag? after all cars are just objects that travel through air so why bother with this...

Acceleration and fuel mileage are some words that are familiar to you i presume.

I didn't say also drag was the only factor, it is just a factor added to several other.

let's get relevant here :

neither car's overall performance is particularly sensitive to low drag.

neither car's acceleration is going to be impeded by aerodynamics to any more significant effect than your average driver being unable to replicate manufacturer's acceleration statistics for a million other practical factors.

neither car is designed in a manner where fuel economy is so important that the vehicle aerodynamic package is altered to specifically augment fuel economy."less drag = less consumption" - in a sports car? ha ha ha. try less drag = less power for the same performance = more available performance that we'll explore (and bugger the fuel consumption).

if you're talking ultimate acceleration performance, the small difference in drag (and it is small) is to a good degree by the significant additional power in the M3 in question. not that it matters to anyone actually driving these cars, but the difference in top speed is similarly small.

anyone can regurgitate CdA/Cd data at will but it's relevance in defining definitive, relevant performance advantages of the NSX is best reserved for marketing paraphernalia. e.g. it's bullsh*t.

there are many other reasons to get the NSX over an E46 M3. primarily that the former's a classic and the later a shadow of one...

[Belatti]

Well, I have not driven those cars, so there is not much -OBJECTIVELY- I can say.
But if GT4 PlayStation 2 would be my parameter, I would choose NSX.
(It laps better in the green hell !!!!!)

Now -SUBJECTIVELY- if had the money to buy a car wich Ayrton Senna was involved in development, I would not even think about it! Just buy the damn car!

Here there is a page wich compares sportcars:
http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceLis ... ist=182-13

NSX is lighter, very very revy (8000RPM cause a sqarer engine), has a lower GoG, its wider, shorter and with low height, very similar acceleration with 70HP less (I think that it should be easier to increase NSX power than M3 with some modifications)

FROM AN ENGINEERS POINT OF VIEW:

NSX: a genuine sportscar
M3: a good sport version of a sedan

[West]

there are many other reasons to get the NSX over an E46 M3. primarily that the former's a classic and the later a shadow of one...

As a pure sports car, you are right on both accounts. The M3 will be a nicer car no doubt, but it is nowhere near the original, which really hurts. Maybe if BMW drops the weight to around 3200 lbs they would have something great in their hands.

Back in the day the NSX would have walked over Ferrari; not many companies can say that.