Americans on moon?

[Ciro Pabón]

ok...this might turn ugly, so i wont 'sit around in a pub' and claim that the moon landing was fake or anything for that matter, including Roswell etc...but ill ask just one Q, why do aliens prefer the US for landing or to be seen at all ...whatever i ve heard about aliens till date, its from the US.Why
(PS:That pic might have been taken from the Hubble and not by 'space exploring astronauts in a space shuttle')

Yes, you're right: I feel guilty, because I started calling names. I'm sorry again and I apologize again: this is not the way we want discussions around here.

Heaven knows I've put forward my own collection of outrageous or improbable ideas and if we deny the possibility of discussing them, what's the forum good for?

Even if you have to be skeptic and maintain that UFO landings COULD be true, etcetera, in this age of cellphone cameras, arguments are fading away quickly and, at least, it's becoming harder to argue for aliens contacting people only when nobody else is watching.

About the picture, both Hubble and the space shuttle orbit the Earth a few kilometers over our heads, on what's called a low earth orbit. They simply cannot take that photo.



You can wacht the International Space Station, Shuttle and many satellites with your own eyes and get a really nice view of them with simple binoculars. If you wish to know where they are and when will they pass over your head, you can check here:

http://science.nasa.gov/realtime/

[DaveKillens]

The space race between the USA and Russia was a heated competition. The Russians scored most of the points first, first satellite, first man in space, first to orbit, two in space, woman in space. First spacewalk. But both were each engaged in a heated and expensive race to the moon. And the Russians almost got there first, just a few major technical setbacks stalled their effort. And of course, once the US did manage to pull it off, it's natural for the Russians to question and poo-poo the US achievement.
To land a man on the moon isn't just a simple affair, you just don't strap some people and landers on top of a rocket and drive it over to the moon. Many technical issues had to be solved, and we witnessed them first hand. The Gemini program proved rendezvous and docking were possible. Same with space walks, and long duration trips. Many technical issues had to be solved, and each generation of US orbital vehicles, from Mercury to Gemini to Apollo each built on what they learned, to finally connect the dots and put it all together in a grand adventure which was Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. And all this time the world was watching. Every capable nation had their radio telescopes listening in. Optical telescopes watched intently, tracking orbits and events. Ham radio enthusiasts around the world listend, and listend intently to the traffic. They scanned, and measured, and triangulated, the signals actually did come from the moon, you can't fake point of origin.
Billions of dollars were invested in advancing the technology, thousands of people were involved in these programs. National prestige was at stake, and there exists just a few conspiracy theories put forward by people who make their livings doing such. Not hard facts that could blow a hole in the whole affair, but minor inconsistencies that can be interpreted in different manners. It's been fortyyears since then, if any were sworn to secrecy, logic states that at least a small handful would reveal the truth on their deatbed. But the facts, the evidence says they went there, they did land on the moon, and returned.
Aliens, Area 51, puleeze, what does this have to do with Project Apollo? Please make the effort to separate non-scientific urban legends and mysticism from the real world.

[ds.raikkonen]

the e.t. affair jumped in between bcoz of that conspiracy theory thing. gotta blame the conspiracy theorists(which, surprisingly are majority americans!) for this discussion, damn ppl place so many doubts in yur head, that you re forced to think that way. I remember watching 'The Biggest Lies of the Twentieth Century' on the History Channel, which revealed startling facts about the things and achievements. The reason is that there are so many secrets in the US defense dept. that conspiracy theories are bound to there. People have been trying the efforts of the US, even raised Qs about the 'War on Terrorism' in afghanistan, bcoz they have got the idea that the US wants to be the supreme ruler of the world blah blah..and things like these really brought up the Qs on the moon landing and any other defense proj..like the creation of anti-matter. Even the recent earthquake in asia, which caused the Tsunami, was supposed to be a multi-billion dollar US defense proj involving nuclear war heads and anti-matter, going horribly wrong. with attitude like that, nothing can be done with 100% confirmation from others...my doubts were not conspiratorial, just scientifically curious.

[NumberTwo]

the e.t. affair jumped in between bcoz of that conspiracy theory thing. gotta blame the conspiracy theorists(which, surprisingly are majority americans!) for this discussion, damn ppl place so many doubts in yur head, that you re forced to think that way.

This whole moon landing conspiracy, aliens, area 51 stuff is great fun and my 14-year-old happens to be quite immersed in it now. And that is fine, he is just learning to question the world around him as all adolescents do. But adolescent fantasy is where it should stay. And I am sure it draws great ratings for the History Channel because it is fun to say, "What if..." But as Dave and Ciro have pointed out, the theories all crumble when balanced against the facts. And thats what I tell Evan, don't let TV and the talking heads there do your thinking for you. Research both sides of the subject to see the whole sphere. Do this and no one can force you to think anything. Think for yourself.

However, my original account has become inactive, strangely....maybe it's those damned reptilians again. And I think this is the guy behind it:
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[allan]

damn those americans!!!! they're gonna keep playing with that moon until it falls on our heads!!!!!

[modbaraban]

... the moon's orbit is getting farther and farther away from us.

damn those american!!!! they're gonna keep playing with that moon until it falls on our heads!!!!!

[mx_tifoso]

but ill ask just one Q, why do aliens prefer the US for landing or to be seen at all ...whatever i ve heard about aliens till date, its from the US.Why

I have heard many many stories, from many different sources about UFO landings and sightings in a country besides the US; Mexico. In the Sierra Madre there have been numerous UFO sightings, or OVNIS as they are called in Mexico and Latin America.
As to why most sightings you hear about are mainly/only from the US, well I presume that it is because the media in the US is the best in the world, imagine if you will, a UFO sighting in a small town in the mountains of Mexico, I'm sure it wont get as much coverage/exposure as one in a huge city in the US. Thats just my opinion though.

http://www.skyscan.org/ovnisin.htm

[allan]

common guys.... think outside the box!
The closest galaxy to us is more than 1000000 light years away!!!!! light speed is 3*10^8 m/s... u do the math it's impossible for any living creature to travel in the speed of light, and for 1000000 years for god`s sakes!!!! im not saying there are no other life forms on other planets, because there is, and im 99.9% sure! otherwise it would be a great waste of space!

[mx_tifoso]

common guys.... think outside the box!
The closest galaxy to us is more than 1000000 light years away!!!!! light speed is 3*10^8 m/s... u do the math it's impossible for any living creature to travel in the speed of light, and for 1000000 years for god`s sakes!!!! im not saying there are no other life forms on other planets, because there is, and im 99.9% sure! otherwise it would be a great waste of space!

Thinking outside the box is exactly what one does when one believes in extraterrestrials. I'm not saying that it is a sure thing, but you never know what exists beyond our earthly realm.

[Tom]

Why is it impossible for a living creature to travel at the speed of light? Perhaps there are living creatures travelling faster than the speed of light, maybe even within teloscopic range, which would be a very good reason why we can't see them.

[DaveKillens]

So some advanced race with obviously superior technology takes the time and trouble to travel across parsecs to give some US citizen an anal probe?

[modbaraban]

it's impossible for any living creature to travel in the speed of light, and for 1000000 years for god`s sakes!!!!

Some creatures live lake a day or so...

common guys.... think outside the box!

That's weird... u're 99.9% sure about the existence of lifeforms out there but u measure em with human strandards...

the 'box' is TV, eh?

[allan]

lool no it's not the tv man, it's my physics book!
Im talking about scientific facts dude. the universe is estimated to be 17.4 billion light years wide!!! 17.4 bellions!!!!! and u are saying that we are the only ones alive? Noway! all u need to have life on any planet is Carbon, Hydrogen,and some other organice materials, which were proven to exist in other galaxies.
Im saying that the existance of other life forms is almost certain, but it's also certain that they cannot reach us, nor us the other way around, because the distance is simply HUGE!
Tom u had a very good point there, but imagine a creature which can circle the earth 7.5 times every second without escaping its gravitational field... u might say that they might exist in space... but space is space... it's empty... in other words, there is nothing! not even gas!how can they live? Therefore, it is impossible to travel in the speed of light, simply because it's the ultimate speed (it's the speed of something that doesn't have a mass). Other than that, according to Einstein's theory of relativity of time, length, and momentum, traveling at the speed of light can change time! and here we get to a very complicated explanation of the whole relationship between time and light, but the bottomline is: Nothing, whether it was a live or not, can travel at the speed of light.

[m3_lover]

Isn't the universe always expanding until it reaches a point and starts to un-expand? (not trying to be a dick just a curious question) and check out the work of Carl Sagan..he made some interesting points

[DaveKillens]

According to recent estimates of dark energy in the universe, it's expanding........ forever.