Brazilian GP - The Big One

axle · Post 19 Oct 2007, 23:32

Glad to see the punishment is applied to all....no one can complain as they used tyres were taken away.

bizadfar · Post 20 Oct 2007, 00:03

Tom wrote:Thats a fair call, If the FIA descide to punish Hamilton (and the others recieve the same punishment) appropriately then I say fair enough, he broke the rules. If they descide not to punish him then thats fair too as he didn't really gain anything from it. As long as the punishment fits the crime and they take the Japanese GP start into account too.

if the race on sunday is wet, scrubbed wets are better than brand new set of wets.

no advantage?

I respect the decision by FIA/stewards. They went to such lengths to keep mclaren drivers' pts intact. No point throwing it away at the finale thats been hyped up so much.

And I'm pretty sure it will live up to that hype

kimi · Post 20 Oct 2007, 06:53

finally the FIA made a right decision not 2 punish lewis.i believe it was team's fault and the FIA did the right job by punishing the teams for it.

the same goes for HONDA n SA also..

HKS · Post 20 Oct 2007, 07:18

kimi wrote:finally the FIA made a right decision not 2 punish lewis.i believe it was team's fault and the FIA did the right job by punishing the teams for it.

the same goes for HONDA n SA also..

I don't agree with that
Why is Lewis always spared???

Even he should have been given the penalty in fuji and this weekend too

kimi · Post 20 Oct 2007, 11:41

Schumi we miss you wrote

I don't agree with that
Why is Lewis always spared???

Even he should have been given the penalty in fuji and this weekend too

well it was the team's decision to go on with a new set of tyres.there is no point in punishing lewis for the team's fault.

bizadfar · Post 20 Oct 2007, 11:57

kimi wrote:Schumi we miss you wrote

I don't agree with that
Why is Lewis always spared???

Even he should have been given the penalty in fuji and this weekend too
well it was the team's decision to go on with a new set of tyres.there is no point in punishing lewis for the team's fault.

so many ppl argue this. Let me tell you another scenario then decide for yourself:

2004 Williams Brake ducts were oversize according to regulations in Canada. BOTH drivers' got DQed. Team fault is it not? Drivers' still copped the penalty.

The decision the FIA took to fine them is as I said "for the sport"

That's all there is to it.

zenvision · Post 20 Oct 2007, 13:01

kimi wrote:Schumi we miss you wrote

I don't agree with that
Why is Lewis always spared???

Even he should have been given the penalty in fuji and this weekend too
well it was the team's decision to go on with a new set of tyres.there is no point in punishing lewis for the team's fault.

From when are we starting to distinguish between team and drivers? oh yeah, its lewis

Same thing happened to ralf a few years back, and he was penalised with a +0.5s in qualifying...

HKS · Post 20 Oct 2007, 13:02

bizadfar wrote:
so many ppl argue this. Let me tell you another scenario then decide for yourself:

2004 Williams Brake ducts were oversize according to regulations in Canada. BOTH drivers' got DQed. Team fault is it not? Drivers' still copped the penalty.

The decision the FIA took to fine them is as I said "for the sport"

That's all there is to it.

I'm in complete agreement with you mate

modbaraban · Post 20 Oct 2007, 13:28

LadyLuck: Ready to order?
myself: yes, can I have finnish donuts on the wet plate please?

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PS: post # 911!!!

A 911Turbo post

axle · Post 20 Oct 2007, 14:19

OMG - I can't believe you're arguing over this TRIVIAL rule break.

McLaren fitted a set of wets to LH's car. He did an installation lap - that's out and in....

Big pause, tyres come off checks are made.

Person(s) in garage fit new tyres forgetting that dry and wet rules are different.

Mclaren send Lewis out and then realise the mistake...McLaren go to the FIA and admit the cockup.

FIA take away all set of tyres (from all teams involved) that have been used for the installation only.

FIA give a fine to all teams involved.

^Where exactly is the crime there??? It was a PRACTICE session!!! It's an error, there's so much pressure in the garages people are human and make silly mistakes. Not even Ferrari have quibbled!!

checkered · Post 20 Oct 2007, 15:47

Forget about

the championship, forget about penalties, there's just this

left of the 2007 season. Sometimes it's just better to live in the moment.

bizadfar · Post 20 Oct 2007, 16:04

axle wrote:OMG - I can't believe you're arguing over this TRIVIAL rule break.

McLaren fitted a set of wets to LH's car. He did an installation lap - that's out and in....

Big pause, tyres come off checks are made.

Person(s) in garage fit new tyres forgetting that dry and wet rules are different.

Mclaren send Lewis out and then realise the mistake...McLaren go to the FIA and admit the cockup.

FIA take away all set of tyres (from all teams involved) that have been used for the installation only.

FIA give a fine to all teams involved.

^Where exactly is the crime there??? It was a PRACTICE session!!! It's an error, there's so much pressure in the garages people are human and make silly mistakes. Not even Ferrari have quibbled!!

if it rained on race day, those TWO scrubbed sets of wets would be a HUGE advantage.

still don't realize?

Tom · Post 20 Oct 2007, 16:12

Lewis could not have scrubbed set of wets to anything like an advantage in the slow exploritory lap he did, the guy already has 10bhp over Alonso, he hardly needs a bigger advantage.

I hate ITV, we're all ready to go and watch the quali and then someone realises its actually on ITV4!!! Qualy the biggest race of the season isn't even shown on terestrial, thats taking the piss.

Anyway, when the flag drops the bullshit stops so sit back and enjoy a real race.

checkered · Post 20 Oct 2007, 16:26

Well, the final practice

over and it looks like Ferrari have a shot at conquering the front row. Massa can even afford a slight mistake (fastest and still at least 0.2 secs in reserve), while Kimi should clinch second on the grid with a flawless drive. Hamilton, not about to take unnecessary risks, looks set for third, 0.5 secs separates his optimum lap from the rest of the compatition.

Alonso, if he wasn't sandbagging, needs to find speed somewhere. His optimum lap time compares with those of Webber, Trulli, Barrichello and Heidfeld. I can't imagine Toyota or Honda really challenging him in the race (albeit Trulli is a brilliant qualifier). But Fernando could face real trouble from BMW and RBR, something that he could do without.

Vettel doing really well again. I shudder to think what he could do in a truly competitive car - and am sure he will get one to drive very soon indeed.

morsus · Post 20 Oct 2007, 16:33

bizadfar wrote:
axle wrote:OMG - I can't believe you're arguing over this TRIVIAL rule break.

McLaren fitted a set of wets to LH's car. He did an installation lap - that's out and in....

Big pause, tyres come off checks are made.

Person(s) in garage fit new tyres forgetting that dry and wet rules are different.

Mclaren send Lewis out and then realise the mistake...McLaren go to the FIA and admit the cockup.

FIA take away all set of tyres (from all teams involved) that have been used for the installation only.

FIA give a fine to all teams involved.

^Where exactly is the crime there??? It was a PRACTICE session!!! It's an error, there's so much pressure in the garages people are human and make silly mistakes. Not even Ferrari have quibbled!!
if it rained on race day, those TWO scrubbed sets of wets would be a HUGE advantage.

still don't realize?

" (...) The three teams will also have to surrender the extra set of tyres that was used in order to ensure they do not benefit from having access to an additional set of part worn, or scrubbed, tyres. (...)"