Being called "Schumacher"

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West
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What Trulli did was correct and MS wasn't. He overtook using the outside. Trulli was on the racing line and therefore shouldn't budge for MS; that would be illogical on his sense. For some reason he wasn't penalized for this move.

At Imola last week I have to say Michael's move was the same thing. He kept to the line and JPM tried to overtake on the outside. From the video I have, MS appeared to correct his steering and it happened that JPM was in the way. MS did not (and shouldn't have) obliged to JPM's move or he too would lose a position.

Trulli did not shove MS off the road and remained on the line. Michael was just desperate to get some points so he passed on the outside in hopes of not being caught. It just happened the outside wasn't grass so there is almost no loss of grip or speed. He is lucky he got one point; the blown tire and a drive through penalty would have murdered him.

I believe MS did not shove JPM out of the way. He remained on the line as well and even though he "appeared" to be correcting his steering, the fact is that JPM was caught outside of the racing line when it happened.

MS got away w/ Silverstone for some strange reason, but in this case he didn't seem to do anything wrong. Adelaide 94 on the other hand...
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Aris
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There was nothing wrong with this move... FIA said so , even Williams says so.

Only ones that say so, is JPM and their fans really, and the people that have a problem with Schumacher...

Noone says that MS hasn't made ruff driving in the past, nor he's not notorious for some things in the past.

The problem tho is not the past is it? It's this race. Well, this was a fine move, as Williams said, JPM should expect no mercy by MS once he tried this move, he should prepare for this, and he should stop complaining and concentrate on his work.

That's my opinion for it as well.

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Trulli did in Hockenheim 03 exactly what MS did at Imola. Trulli went offline to block MS on the inside where as the racingline was on the outside, after that Trulli went straight on until he was back on the racing line next to the cerb on the outside just to keep MS from turning in. The difference between the to incidents is that Montoya was on the grass and lost speed and was unable to overtake MS where as MS managed to pass Trulli.

Trulli was on the inside line but went straight on to recclaim the racingline and keep MS from turning in. Maybe thats why MS got no penalty in Germany, I dont know.

Any how I really think they should change the sporting regulations so that you have to leave space for cars that are on the outside in a corner. I dont know if its feasable for pratical reasons but I dont like it the way it is now.

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Trulli's move was appropriate. If I were in his position I wouldn't take the line as MS could just come in on the inside and possibly force me off the regular line. And MS would return to the regular line so that he can get the best launch out of the corner.

If Trulli didn't go back on the racing line he would have to stay inside the whole hairpin and lose even more speed, such that MS would still be able to go on the outside and outrun him; so what's the problem?
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The problem is that you can push people off the track and still drive within the rules.

Since Trulli left MS no room I really dont have a problem with MS overtaking Trulli using space outside the racetrack itself.

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The rule is you can't push people off the track. And you can't go off the track to overtake.

Trulli did an appropriate blocking move and did leave MS enough room to stay on track, by which I mean he should have slowed down. He didn't push him off the track; he was taking the appropriate racing line and MS was caught outside of it. Michael knows that Trulli wasn't going to give in, and he hoped that he could catch the line just before the outside of the track, with Trulli having to stay inside.

This would be an appropriate pass - Michael carries enough speed on the hairpin, faster than Trulli, when he is on the outside and Trulli on the inside. Then hopefully Michael catches the line with Trulli still on the inside of the track, or to Michael's right-hand side. This would mean that MS would have to carry a lot more exit speed than Trulli and catch the line before Trulli can get to it; Michael would have to be at the very edge, but not off, of the track. Of course, this move is much more difficult than the next one I'm going to state...

The more classic move would be MS going on the outside, such that Trulli would be forced to cover the outside as well, when going down the straight. Then when MS sees this, he brakes before the hairpin and enters the inside while Trulli is caught on the outside, being forced to brake harder and later since he is deeper into the corner. Then MS would pass on the inside and Trulli would be like wtf damn.

In summary, Michael probably thought Trulli was going to stay on the inside such that the former could not perform the "classic move," and pass on the outside. It was just that Trulli did not do this and Michael was caught thinking the wrong strategy and he got owned for it. And like I said before, his drive was a desperate one so he just went for the outside, illegal pass anyways.

Look at David Coulthard's move on Webber at that race, and I'm sure that is what Michael tried to do on Trulli.
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Im not so sure I agree with you 100% but I would like to say that I have no problem with Trullis driving. The FIA says its okay then its okay but I still think that Trulli, Montoya and Schumachers moves are unethical even though they are within the regulations. Its not the fault of the drivers but rather the FIA´s fault.

I just think that if a car is on either side of you should not be able to select a line that leaves the other driver with the choice to lift or go off. If Im not misstaken there actually is such a rule but its not being applied in the same way that I would like.

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HE DAMN FAST....

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you shound notice that his talent in racing was proof since his debut in spa.than he continue his bright career with the benneton team which he became the world champ.when he moved to ferrari,he also bring all the winning engineers that he works at the benneton.this proof that driving skills is not the main thing to become a champ.in schumi era,there are no other driver that can cooperate with team better than him.that is why ferrari have no problem to pay him the highest salary in F1 history.more miledge he go,more chance ferrari will win.

rumpelstulskin
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well michael has won 75 of ferrari's 200 races.. that for me is enough reason t pay him the highest ever f1 salary