[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[FittingMechanics]

Has PIrelli put out their "tire sets remaining" chart? I think the team is quietly confident that they have more Medium sets remaining than most others

From what I understood from the broadcast, teams do not get to choose the amount of sets they get, everyone gets the same. There is no "tire allocation" part this year or at least for this grand prix.

McLaren decided not to use Mediums or Hards AT ALL today, so they did all of their running on softs, trying to understand why they struggled on softs more than others but also conserving mediums and hards for tomorrow. I feel this is a good idea and hopefully they can qualify well to exploit the advantage in the race.

[SmallSoldier]

Has PIrelli put out their "tire sets remaining" chart? I think the team is quietly confident that they have more Medium sets remaining than most others

From what I understood from the broadcast, teams do not get to choose the amount of sets they get, everyone gets the same. There is no "tire allocation" part this year or at least for this grand prix.

McLaren decided not to use Mediums or Hards AT ALL today, so they did all of their running on softs, trying to understand why they struggled on softs more than others but also conserving mediums and hards for tomorrow. I feel this is a good idea and hopefully they can qualify well to exploit the advantage in the race.

The teams do have a tire allocation, although is the same from everyone... What he meant was that by not using Mediums for FP1 and FP2, they have more available medium set tires for Qualifying and the Race compared to the other teams.

I would expect them to use one set of Mediums in FP3 to understand pace on them... Use two sets of Softs in Q1, 1 set or 2 of Mediums in Q2 to try and make it into Q3 and a set of Softs in Q3 if they make it there... This will allow them to do a Medium, Medium, Hard stint in the race.


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[FittingMechanics]

The teams do have a tire allocation, although is the same from everyone... What he meant was that by not using Mediums for FP1 and FP2, they have more available medium set tires for Qualifying and the Race compared to the other teams.

Yes, that was what I was trying to say.

Does anyone know the tire allocation for Silverstone for everyone? How many mediums/hards.

[Lucky]

2 hard, 3 medium, 8 soft

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and down to this, currently (H-M-S):

HAM 2-2-5
BOT 2-2-5
VET 2-2-5
LEC 2-2-5
VER 2-2-5
ALB 2-2-5
SAI 2-3-4
NOR 2-3-4
RIC 1-3-5
OCO 1-3-5
KVY 2-2-5
GAS 2-2-5
HUL 2-2-5
STR 2-2-5
RAI 2-2-5
GIO 2-2-5
GRO 2-2-5
MAG 2-2-5
RUS 2-2-5
LAT 2-2-5

(probably -2 on softs for everyone after FP3)

So for McLaren it could turn out to be an advantage for the race indeed. But as one set of Softs is blocked for Q3, it's also a bit of a risky approach for Qualifying of course, if the red tire turns out to be significantly better over one lap today (due to changing track conditions or so)

[McL-H]

and down to this, currently (H-M-S):

HAM 2-2-5
BOT 2-2-5
VET 2-2-5
LEC 2-2-5
VER 2-2-5
ALB 2-2-5
SAI 2-3-4
NOR 2-3-4
RIC 1-3-5
OCO 1-3-5
KVY 2-2-5
GAS 2-2-5
HUL 2-2-5
STR 2-2-5
RAI 2-2-5
GIO 2-2-5
GRO 2-2-5
MAG 2-2-5
RUS 2-2-5
LAT 2-2-5

(probably -2 on softs for everyone after FP3)

So for McLaren it could turn out to be an advantage for the race indeed. But as one set of Softs is blocked for Q3, it's also a bit of a risky approach for Qualifying of course, if the red tire turns out to be significantly better over one lap today (due to changing track conditions or so)

4 sets, even 3, should be enough for qualifying this afternoon, right? Just got to make every lap count.

[mwillems]

I don't know. Norris was talking to Sky and said that others seem to have gained more than McLaren this week, so they are expecting a bigger challenge. To be honest I think that's what they say every time, and try to keep expectations low.

Norris pace was very slow, Sainz had a better time of it in FP2, times look midfield, the Renault is slightly ahead.

Nothing in the team report looks worrying, good balance, making incremental gains & got everything done

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2020/70t ... -practice/

I expect all teams to shun the softs in the race, so I think everyone will do Q2 on the mediums regardless of being nocked out. Starting p11-12 would probably be advantageous than having to pit early and getting caught in back-market traffic

I hope so, but it is possible slower teams fighting for Q3 may don softs to get some extra time, if that happens and pushes Mclaren to the back of the Q3 places it could force our hand.

[FittingMechanics]

McLaren (Norris at least) still has two new hards and two new mediums. Could it be that they will try running two hard stints in the race? It's analogous to mediums from the last race, so it makes sense (last week was probably soft-medium-medium or medium-hard). I think that Renault and others will run only one hard stint tomorrow.

McLaren might go medium-hard-hard
Renault medium-hard-medium

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McLaren (Norris at least) still has two new hards and two new mediums. Could it be that they will try running two hard stints in the race? It's analogous to mediums from the last race, so it makes sense (last week was probably soft-medium-medium or medium-hard). I think that Renault and others will run only one hard stint tomorrow.

McLaren might go medium-hard-hard
Renault medium-hard-medium

I guess everyone but Renault will probably do two stints on hards, yeah

[F1Krof]

The strategy seems clear I guess:
1) Try to qualify with Meds: (start) Meds - Hard - Hard
2) Gamble on Softs for track position only to pit early and compromise the stints on Hards: (start) Soft - Hard - Hard? -> this has the potential to destroy one stint and pit again for used Meds or Softs; So: (start) Soft - Hard - Hard - Soft/Med

It looks like it's gonna be fun. [-o<

[Darth-Piekus]

I know that this is not an RP forum or a Mercedes forum or a Ferrari forum but I really would like to write up my complaint regarding the whole incident regarding that illegal copycat.

Back in 2007 the FIA with Max Mosley at the helm being on a vendetta with Ron Dennis punished Mclaren with 100 Millon Euros stripping them from the constructor championship against the desires of the community, without the technical examinations finding anything from Ferrari on the car on a scandalous trial. Then they started a psychological war against Hamilton outside and inside GPs in order for the rookie to crack. Best examples was the set up in China, the coincidental Mercedes Engine Reset two times on Brazil which never happened in the whole season and then of course the Scandalous Williams and Sauber cars who were found with illegal petrol temperature but never been punished. Mclaren was then denied an appeal and the reason by the FIA was that Mclaren wasn't gonna get anything from that. I still remember Hamilton's father saying that next year Hamilton will be champion if politics aren't in the way.

Then by the end of the last race we learned that Renault basically did the same thing stealing data from Mclaren but didn't get penalised as by the FIA standards not enough evidence were found in another scandalous decision despite the evidence saying otherwise.

Then of course we have the famous Engine Gate of last year with the FIA covering up the whole Ferrari incident instead of stripping them of their constructor position and of course giving them a similar fine. An engine that was illegal all year and hidden from the FIA. Another scandal.

Then we have 2013 and the Mercedes scandal using their filming days to do as many laps as possible to solve their tyre issues. Mercedes threatened that year to leave F1 and the FIA backed off.

Finally here we are with Racing Point copying the whole car illegally from Mercedes and Mercedes giving data from their car illegally breaking articles regarding about the spirit of fair competition and yet neither of them are getting a similar punishment as Mclaren did back then.

Count the fact that the FIA has given Ferrari extra money that wouldn't give another team giving them an unfair advantage during the era of 2000 to 2008, then the Malaysia scandal of 1999 where Ferrari had illegal cars during that race but the penalty was removed on an appeal despite evidence saying otherwise. Should I mention the countless penalties that Mika Hakkinnen got during these years?

Sometimes I wonder if the team should follow a strictly full attack policy against the FIA and probably sue them for damages during all these years.

[mclaren111]

Amen... FIA is Corrupt...

Always have been...

[holeindalip]

I know that this is not an RP forum or a Mercedes forum or a Ferrari forum but I really would like to write up my complaint regarding the whole incident regarding that illegal copycat.

Back in 2007 the FIA with Max Mosley at the helm being on a vendetta with Ron Dennis punished Mclaren with 100 Millon Euros stripping them from the constructor championship against the desires of the community, without the technical examinations finding anything from Ferrari on the car on a scandalous trial. Then they started a psychological war against Hamilton outside and inside GPs in order for the rookie to crack. Best examples was the set up in China, the coincidental Mercedes Engine Reset two times on Brazil which never happened in the whole season and then of course the Scandalous Williams and Sauber cars who were found with illegal petrol temperature but never been punished. Mclaren was then denied an appeal and the reason by the FIA was that Mclaren wasn't gonna get anything from that. I still remember Hamilton's father saying that next year Hamilton will be champion if politics aren't in the way.

Then by the end of the last race we learned that Renault basically did the same thing stealing data from Mclaren but didn't get penalised as by the FIA standards not enough evidence were found in another scandalous decision despite the evidence saying otherwise.

Then of course we have the famous Engine Gate of last year with the FIA covering up the whole Ferrari incident instead of stripping them of their constructor position and of course giving them a similar fine. An engine that was illegal all year and hidden from the FIA. Another scandal.

Then we have 2013 and the Mercedes scandal using their filming days to do as many laps as possible to solve their tyre issues. Mercedes threatened that year to leave F1 and the FIA backed off.

Finally here we are with Racing Point copying the whole car illegally from Mercedes and Mercedes giving data from their car illegally breaking articles regarding about the spirit of fair competition and yet neither of them are getting a similar punishment as Mclaren did back then.

Count the fact that the FIA has given Ferrari extra money that wouldn't give another team giving them an unfair advantage during the era of 2000 to 2008, then the Malaysia scandal of 1999 where Ferrari had illegal cars during that race but the penalty was removed on an appeal despite evidence saying otherwise. Should I mention the countless penalties that Mika Hakkinnen got during these years?

Sometimes I wonder if the team should follow a strictly full attack policy against the FIA and probably sue them for damages during all these years.

Rp got the brake ducts legally from Mercedes that’s why they got off lenient

[Darth-Piekus]

That is the problem. The brake ducts were just the tip. Who knows what else have they done and I am glad the other teams are not gonna let them get off with such a joke punishment like that.

[SmallSoldier]

Good job getting both cars into Q2... Let’s see if we can get into Q3 on Mediums... It’s way too close among the midfield teams so far


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