2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Curbstone
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diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 01:55
Kingshark wrote:
03 Aug 2021, 19:47
Honda engine has been pulled back by the FIA.

Mercedes engine finding more power than ever before.

Honda have to take engine penalties in the second half of the season.

This season is literally being decided entirely by engines.
My money says that it's being decided by an excellent young driver that has yet to learn to drive with a lead in the points. He dug this one himself.
You're getting ahead of the season. Up till now the season is being decided by fortunate mistakes of Lewis and Bottas, who can be described as two excellent drivers who have yet to learn how to drive in a non-dominant car.

aral
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A further reminder that this thread is about the RBR team, and not about Hamilton, Mercedes, Fia etc etc. Please stay on topic as off topic posts will be removed.

Bill
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if Rbrhonda had less power in siverstone why would they carry a lot of wing to me it shows a team that have a lot of confidence with its pu .f1 is becoming a fuss whenever someone comes up with novel idea others start winging these is unsportsmanship .next year according to brawn if you are quicker than 0.2 tenth you wont be allowed to develop your car.

seense
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Bill wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 14:16
if Rbrhonda had less power in siverstone why would they carry a lot of wing to me it shows a team that have a lot of confidence with its pu .f1 is becoming a fuss whenever someone comes up with novel idea others start winging these is unsportsmanship .next year according to brawn if you are quicker than 0.2 tenth you wont be allowed to develop your car.
Max admitted on dutch television they ran a bit too much wing on silverstone.

dtro
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Too early to lose hope. RB ended up picking up a lot of steam in the second half of last season. They won the last race, and this year they ended the stranglehold Merc had on a lot of tracks. Of course things could have been different at this point and Max would still be in the lead/RB might still lead the ship. The break is well deserved by all the teams and hopefully we can recharge and bring the fight to the Mercs. Lots of question marks ahead, but one thing is certain, it's not a done deal as of yet. It's been so long since anyone has been within striking distance of Hamilton and I see a lot of doom and gloom. Could see them taking the engine penalties at strategic venues like Monza where recovery drives aren't as unlikely as tracks with less overtaking opportunities.

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dtro wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 21:01
Too early to lose hope. RB ended up picking up a lot of steam in the second half of last season. They won the last race, and this year they ended the stranglehold Merc had on a lot of tracks. Of course things could have been different at this point and Max would still be in the lead/RB might still lead the ship. The break is well deserved by all the teams and hopefully we can recharge and bring the fight to the Mercs. Lots of question marks ahead, but one thing is certain, it's not a done deal as of yet. It's been so long since anyone has been within striking distance of Hamilton and I see a lot of doom and gloom. Could see them taking the engine penalties at strategic venues like Monza where recovery drives aren't as unlikely as tracks with less overtaking opportunities.
It's just getting started.

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diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 20:46
Curbstone wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 11:33
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 01:55


My money says that it's being decided by an excellent young driver that has yet to learn to drive with a lead in the points. He dug this one himself.
You're getting ahead of the season. Up till now the season is being decided by fortunate mistakes of Lewis and Bottas, who can be described as two excellent drivers who have yet to learn how to drive in a non-dominant car.


Forget about the rules. Think based on the championship. The Lewis's move wasn't a mistake. It was the right thing for him to do. When you're down 33 points, put the car on the inside on the limits of the regulations and DARE the leader to go around the outside. Max shouldn't have DARED, he should have put a priority on bringing home the points.

Forget about the rules. Think based on championship. The odds of the Bottas kind of stuff happening during the year, whether it is Bottas or someone else, is high. The odds triple or more in the wet. So you need to drive with that in your head. Yes it was Bottas's fault. That is why when you're ahead you cut out risk. When you can, you bring home the points. If he would have brought home the points @ Silverstone he would have still been in the lead.

You need to worry about what you can control. You can control how much risk you take when you make a move. You can't control someone blind siding you from behind.
If Hamilton had not switched off his brakes in Baku he would be leading the championship by a mile; and unlike Max in Silverstone, Lewis scoring 0 points in Baku was entirely his own fault.

There is no point in looking back now. I am just happy that Max is still only single-digit points behind Hamilton. When you consider how much luck has favoured a Mercedes so far, that’s not a bad position to be in. It could have easily been 40 points behind if Mercedes and Hamilton didn’t miss those open goals in Baku and Hungary.

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Kingshark wrote:
05 Aug 2021, 00:24

If Hamilton had not switched off his brakes in Baku he would be leading the championship by a mile; and unlike Max in Silverstone, Lewis scoring 0 points in Baku was entirely his own fault.

There is no point in looking back now. I am just happy that Max is still only single-digit points behind Hamilton. When you consider how much luck has favoured a Mercedes so far, that’s not a bad position to be in. It could have easily been 40 points behind if Mercedes and Hamilton didn’t miss those open goals in Baku and Hungary.
If Verstappen didn't had puncture Ham would get only 3d step of podium in baku. If Perez were a little bit further at second start of baku he would had an accident with ham like he lived in hungary with bottas. So Ham made mistakes everytime he need to push and one damaged only himself one damaged his main rival.

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diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 20:46
Curbstone wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 11:33
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 01:55


My money says that it's being decided by an excellent young driver that has yet to learn to drive with a lead in the points. He dug this one himself.
You're getting ahead of the season. Up till now the season is being decided by fortunate mistakes of Lewis and Bottas, who can be described as two excellent drivers who have yet to learn how to drive in a non-dominant car.


Forget about the rules. Think based on the championship. The Lewis's move wasn't a mistake. It was the right thing for him to do. When you're down 33 points, put the car on the inside on the limits of the regulations and DARE the leader to go around the outside. Max shouldn't have DARED, he should have put a priority on bringing home the points.

Forget about the rules. Think based on championship. The odds of the Bottas kind of stuff happening during the year, whether it is Bottas or someone else, is high. The odds triple or more in the wet. So you need to drive with that in your head. Yes it was Bottas's fault. That is why when you're ahead you cut out risk. When you can, you bring home the points. If he would have brought home the points @ Silverstone he would have still been in the lead.

You need to worry about what you can control. You can control how much risk you take when you make a move. You can't control someone blind siding you from behind.
I am not talking about the rules, but there's two incidences which turned out very fortunate for Mercedes. There is no indication that Max will be breaking under the pressure. You might want adres Silverstone as an indication, but that's up for debate. In my opinion, if Max would have yielded he would have practically rolled out the red carpet towards the win for Lewis. This would weaken his position on track for the following races, and give Lewis a moral boost and momentum. That's also worth a lot.

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etusch wrote:
05 Aug 2021, 08:29
Kingshark wrote:
05 Aug 2021, 00:24

If Hamilton had not switched off his brakes in Baku he would be leading the championship by a mile; and unlike Max in Silverstone, Lewis scoring 0 points in Baku was entirely his own fault.

There is no point in looking back now. I am just happy that Max is still only single-digit points behind Hamilton. When you consider how much luck has favoured a Mercedes so far, that’s not a bad position to be in. It could have easily been 40 points behind if Mercedes and Hamilton didn’t miss those open goals in Baku and Hungary.
If Verstappen didn't had puncture Ham would get only 3d step of podium in baku. If Perez were a little bit further at second start of baku he would had an accident with ham like he lived in hungary with bottas. So Ham made mistakes everytime he need to push and one damaged only himself one damaged his main rival.
Hamilton’s mistake in Baku truly is a giant blessing. The situation would be looking so much worse if not for that mistake. We could easily be entering this summer break 35 points behind. Thank goodness for that error.

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Kingshark wrote:
05 Aug 2021, 09:25

Hamilton’s mistake in Baku truly is a giant blessing. The situation would be looking so much worse if not for that mistake. We could easily be entering this summer break 35 points behind. Thank goodness for that error.
What I want to say is that what happened is only reality. If different things would happen it could end up different ways. If they all didn't happened Verstappen would be ahead at wdc still.

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Curbstone wrote:
05 Aug 2021, 08:42
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 20:46
Curbstone wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 11:33


You're getting ahead of the season. Up till now the season is being decided by fortunate mistakes of Lewis and Bottas, who can be described as two excellent drivers who have yet to learn how to drive in a non-dominant car.


Forget about the rules. Think based on the championship. The Lewis's move wasn't a mistake. It was the right thing for him to do. When you're down 33 points, put the car on the inside on the limits of the regulations and DARE the leader to go around the outside. Max shouldn't have DARED, he should have put a priority on bringing home the points.

Forget about the rules. Think based on championship. The odds of the Bottas kind of stuff happening during the year, whether it is Bottas or someone else, is high. The odds triple or more in the wet. So you need to drive with that in your head. Yes it was Bottas's fault. That is why when you're ahead you cut out risk. When you can, you bring home the points. If he would have brought home the points @ Silverstone he would have still been in the lead.

You need to worry about what you can control. You can control how much risk you take when you make a move. You can't control someone blind siding you from behind.
I am not talking about the rules, but there's two incidences which turned out very fortunate for Mercedes. There is no indication that Max will be breaking under the pressure. You might want adres Silverstone as an indication, but that's up for debate. In my opinion, if Max would have yielded he would have practically rolled out the red carpet towards the win for Lewis. This would weaken his position on track for the following races, and give Lewis a moral boost and momentum. That's also worth a lot.
Max didnt need to “yield” he gave plenty space at it stands and was clearly in the lead from pole and during the whole lap. It was the last corner Lewis could have stayed closed. After maggots and becketts Max would have been away. Just like in the sprint race. But then this happened.

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aral wrote:
04 Aug 2021, 11:41
A further reminder that this thread is about the RBR team, and not about Hamilton, Mercedes, Fia etc etc. Please stay on topic as off topic posts will be removed.
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