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Car is lacking top speed now, but fix in Belgium I think.
depends on silverstone upgrade. think the team is overcompensating with lack of outright downforce by running more wings, which makes them slower on straights
I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.
Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".
Great race by Alonso, so glad he's no longer behind Stroll in the WDC too. However, I don't think Alonso was stuck behind Lawson, rather Lawson helped toe him along with the DRS like Norris did Piastri in the first stint. Great result getting P7 at this track, I am way too excited for Silverstone and hope the Newey lunch time upgrades are significant enough and work well.
Car is lacking top speed now, but fix in Belgium I think.
depends on silverstone upgrade. think the team is overcompensating with lack of outright downforce by running more wings, which makes them slower on straights
I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.
Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".
Thanks for sharing the Alonso quote, didn't hear that but that's exactly what I thought watching the race and seeing Alonso manage to sneak Lawsons's DRS the whole race
depends on silverstone upgrade. think the team is overcompensating with lack of outright downforce by running more wings, which makes them slower on straights
I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.
Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".
Thanks for sharing the Alonso quote, didn't hear that but that's exactly what I thought watching the race and seeing Alonso manage to sneak Lawsons's DRS the whole race
Alonso's race engineer wanted him to lift and coast more near the end of the medium tyre run, but Alonso stated they would see the real car's pace if he fell out of DRS. It wasn't worth the extra tyre preservation.
I don't know if they're lacking in top speed, probably lacking in DF. As someone pointed out Thursday, they're running a bigger rear wing. They stayed in Lawson's DRS all race long to prevent having to run with the rear wing closed. With the rear wing opened, they have as much speed as anyone. I have no facts that they're lacking DF, but running with a bigger wing prevents wear in the long corners at the cost of speed down the straights. Staying in the DRS over comes that.
Alonso, on the onboards said "this isn't our real pace, the DRS is flattering us".
Thanks for sharing the Alonso quote, didn't hear that but that's exactly what I thought watching the race and seeing Alonso manage to sneak Lawsons's DRS the whole race
Alonso's race engineer wanted him to lift and coast more near the end of the medium tyre run, but Alonso stated they would see the real car's pace if he fell out of DRS. It wasn't worth the extra tyre preservation.
Yeah, it was interesting in the opening part of Canada, Alonso was desperately hanging on to Hamilton's DRS in the opening stint and once he lost it we could see the real pace. Once Alonso left Lawsons DRS at the end of this race, it was only his brilliant racing IQ that helped save the place, but I definitely agree with him that the DRS helped our race pace.
First, VER and ANT didn't race because they went down early. This means two places "gained."
Then, on the last lap, Fernando invented another position out of nowhere.
That's a total of three places. And this time, thanks to LAW, he got another slipstream.
The car isn't fast. I have to review the race tonight because, apart from the unbearable heat here during the day, when I saw it would be "another slipstream race," I went to sleep. I watched several parts of the race afterwards, but I still haven't seen the whole thing. I found it boring; I don't think I'll change my opinion.
I still don't know exactly why the car isn't fast. I've always thought it comes out of corners badly, sliding. It's almost impossible for it to be fast afterward. In practice, it also seemed to me that Fernando braked too early entering corners. I even thought he wanted to put rubber on in some places... to try some unusual lines in qualifying... or maybe it was the wind... while also seeing the AM25's ultra-nervous steering... Even if I say it jokingly, you can't deny it's almost black magic.
But anyway, tying Stroll on points was good. First objective accomplished. I'm still worried about the car, especially given how many times Fernando invents races himself. With a little cunning here, taking advantage of anything on the fly, and always a good head, he does incredible things. That's what worries me: the car must be even worse than it looks.
Well, that's it. Let's see how it goes at Silverstone. For now, the most positive thing is that Williams seems to have found itself in another similar labyrinth. Let's see if they take a while to react and give us time to find the philosopher's stone of the damned AM25. If they at least improved the Downforce (which I think is one of the problems), we could at least argue with the MBs.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
First, VER and ANT didn't race because they went down early. This means two places "gained."
Then, on the last lap, Fernando invented another position out of nowhere.
That's a total of three places. And this time, thanks to LAW, he got another slipstream.
The car isn't fast. I have to review the race tonight because, apart from the unbearable heat here during the day, when I saw it would be "another slipstream race," I went to sleep. I watched several parts of the race afterwards, but I still haven't seen the whole thing. I found it boring; I don't think I'll change my opinion.
I still don't know exactly why the car isn't fast. I've always thought it comes out of corners badly, sliding. It's almost impossible for it to be fast afterward. In practice, it also seemed to me that Fernando braked too early entering corners. I even thought he wanted to put rubber on in some places... to try some unusual lines in qualifying... or maybe it was the wind... while also seeing the AM25's ultra-nervous steering... Even if I say it jokingly, you can't deny it's almost black magic.
But anyway, tying Stroll on points was good. First objective accomplished. I'm still worried about the car, especially given how many times Fernando invents races himself. With a little cunning here, taking advantage of anything on the fly, and always a good head, he does incredible things. That's what worries me: the car must be even worse than it looks.
Well, that's it. Let's see how it goes at Silverstone. For now, the most positive thing is that Williams seems to have found itself in another similar labyrinth. Let's see if they take a while to react and give us time to find the philosopher's stone of the damned AM25. If they at least improved the Downforce (which I think is one of the problems), we could at least argue with the MBs.
I made the mistake of looking at the qualifying data and compare Alonso to Norris. There, it so obvious the problem. Norris is later on the brakes, earlier on the gas and carries more speed in all the corners. That only happens when the other car has more DF.
Good race by ALO, schooled STR in tyre management once again. 2-stopper was most probably quicker, but with a car unable to overtake, the 1-stopper was the best strategy.
I don’t have high expectations for Silverstone, most of the time updates turned out to be downgrades. Newey said it very clear that only a small group work on the AMR25, I guess not their top engineers, who will concentrate on 2026.
Good race by ALO, schooled STR in tyre management once again. 2-stopper was most probably quicker, but with a car unable to overtake, the 1-stopper was the best strategy.
I don’t have high expectations for Silverstone, most of the time updates turned out to be downgrades. Newey said it very clear that only a small group work on the AMR25, I guess not their top engineers, who will concentrate on 2026.
we can only pray. imola updates actually worked which were mostly done in old wind tunnel. New wind tunnel and some newey notebook tax should be a few tenths hopefully. Alonso said theres stuff for spa as well. just gonna assume its a low downforce package
If there is an upgrade that will come in Silverstone, where do think the focus will be ? Last time was getting a new floor, how about this time ?
More stable car ? Slow corners improvement?
In these regs, it's all about the floor. I think it's gonna be everything in and around the floor, diffuser, etc. They're gonna take what they've learned since the Imola upgrades and refine th floor. The diffuser still looks basic compared to what it was in 2024. They know how to make in more complicated but hopefully they've figured what was wrong with the complexity.
We need pray for Silverstone. Imola was a blessing, but, we need remember this team introduce problematic upgrades almost 2 years in a row and I have some doubts as to whether they will really be able to improve, they need to prove more so we can say that they have overcome those old problems. Silverstone will be a important scenario for Aston's future.
