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[KATO]

Does anyone know when tooned was gona be out or where it Came out..



http://f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_co ... Itemid=157


Ferrari asked Perez to 'take care' of Alonso - Sergio Perez has claimed that, whilst a Sauber Formula One driver, Ferrari often asked him to "take care" of Fernando Alonso.

The Mexican's comments will ramp up speculation that the famous Italian team uses its political links in the paddock for a performance advantage.

Perez, formerly under Ferrari power at Sauber and also the cream of the Maranello marque's driver development 'academy', suddenly switched allegiances for 2013 as he accepted the offer to replace Lewis Hamilton at McLaren.

He had been asked by Spanish sports newspaper Marca if he feels a difference when he looks in the mirror and sees world champion Sebastian Vettel, or Ferrari's Alonso.

"In my case no," he answered. "I make no distinction between them.

"Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but I don't know if they asked just me or the whole grid."

Asked if he sees leaving the Ferrari family as a missed opportunity, the 23 year old answered: "No, it's an experience that led me to a better place.

"I'm happy at McLaren, I hope to stay here for many years, maybe my entire career."

Although currently at the wheel of a struggling McLaren, Perez insisted he was happy in Melbourne to have been quite close to lead driver Jenson Button's pace.

"I'm happy with that because Jenson is one of the very best drivers," he said.

"He has won in Melbourne three times. I didn't know where I would be compared to him, so while it's not a relief it is reassuring that I am strong and close to a world champion."

[CjC]

All hail king Lewis

Pardon? What had that got to do with anything?

It was a cry of exasperation becasue Lewis doesn't drive for this team so why should his name be mentioned in this thread, especially in the way it was, would the Hamilton fans like it if I went onto the Mercedes thread as start mouthing off if/after Mclaren beat Hamilton/Mercedes. I think the 'Lewis is a genius to leave mclaren' and 'Lewis is better than the current Mclaren drivers' comment should never be said in the Mclaren thread and be said in the relevent threads.

I'm just glad they said the 28 has more downforce than the 27

They didn't – they said the 28 has the potential to have more downforce than the 27 if they figure out how to make it work right.

Sorry, I read it at work with someone twittering in my ear, you right they didnt, the article said they didnt think it lacked downforce, thats what I was happy to hear.

KATO- think that just proves what we already know about Ferrari

[KATO]

Yup sad I wonder if money switches back accounts or its just in the form of cheaper engines..

[beelsebob]

Sorry, I read it at work with someone twittering in my ear, you right they didnt, the article said they didnt think it lacked downforce, thats what I was happy to hear.

KATO- think that just proves what we already know about Ferrari

The article also didn't state that they didn't think it lacked downforce. It stated that they thought they had other problems. That does not mean that lack of downforce is not one of their problems.

[bhall]

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Anyway, I don't know nuthin about Repsol, other than they're Spanish, and sell oil, and might not want their logo next to Mobil's.

Mobil 1 came with Mercedes, and they might just leave with them, too. Or so goes my wild speculation.

[beelsebob]

Jenson and Perez cannot hang on the narrow operating window of the '28, that is all. They need a driver who can unlock the car like in 2009.

Thats a reference to Lewis Hamilton

Is it? I didn't read it that way... I read it as "they need a driver who can unlock the car like in 2009", if you think Lewis Hamilton is the only one who can do that, that's your prerogative.

[Hail22]

What do you guys think about this design by Patrick Viola?

[sAx]

What do you guys think about this design by Patrick Viola?

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/20 ... n-2015.jpg

Reminds of the Williams GP team switch from Rothmans to Winfield. Spectacularly different!

[StrikeForceF1]

What do you guys think about this design by Patrick Viola?

http://wtf1.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/20 ... n-2015.jpg

Just a question ....why is he using a Ferrari chasis for a Mclaren livery showing??...and the F2012 with a vanity panel I might add....also I doubt that shell would be patnering with Mclaren as they have recently strengthened or extended their partnership deal with Ferrari if memory serves me correct....I think that if Honda were to come onboard than more likely Repsol would follow rather than Shell.....Repsol and Honda do have a motorsport history....I could be wrong though.

[beelsebob]

Why is the rear wing so tiny? I know plenty of people aren't keen on the modern layout, but it's 2013... rear wings are tall.

[JoeE]

a lot of head shaking and wall watching going on at Woking at the moment for sure . With a poor car, unknown engine situation of Honda/Merc, HAM gone, Paddy going.

Once stability returns to the team they will be back on top. Until then, I feel its going to be a rough season ahead

[Dragonfly]

I think they'll find a solution. Maybe it will cost them the chances to fight for the titles but recent history shows that McLaren are very good in in-season development without real testing and based on simulation only. More often than not their updates work as expected.

[j2004p]

I've searched in this thread and dont believe that its been posted already, but this entry in Adam Cooper's blog seems quite interesting regarding the early Jerez pace that Jenson set.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/03/16/how- ... erez-test/

McLaren’s impressive pace on the first day of testing in Jerez in February was generated by a mistake when the car was being put together in the factory, Martin Whitmarsh has confirmed to this blog.

A suspension component was fitted incorrectly to the new car – apparently it was simply the wrong way round – and the unexpectedly low ride height that resulted happened to work well at the Spanish track. Button set the pace that day, suggesting that the MP4-28 could be the car to beat.

However once the mistake was discovered that night, it was rectified, as the car could not be run in that state long term at other venue, especially with heavy fuel loads.

[Hail22]

I believe in a blog it was titled Mclaren Honda 2015...so maybe that's why, a part from that I have no idea why he used the F2012 chassis...I'm not Patrick Viola...

[skwdenyer]

Shouldn't this situation re-open the debate about testing limits?

It seems reasonable to assume that the flaw was not evident in simulations, was not evident on the dynamic rigs, was not evident in the wind tunnel.

It is possible that there is a lack of correlation between the wind tunnel results and those of the car (IIRC McLaren are currently using one of Toyota's wind tunnels rather than their own), but that isn't the message coming out in comments.

Dynamic set-up is not something that can be done anywhere other than on a track. All the simulation tools in the world will not expose either (a) a flaw in the simulation tools, or (b) some combination of effects (perhaps an interaction between vehicle dynamics and aero performance) which are not replicable elsewhere.

McLaren are to be applauded for trying something new. With so little testing available, unless a third party can come up with a physically-verified simulation tool to cover some new ground, there is very little incentive to be inventive in anything other than incremental baby steps.

To keep this relevant, my question is this: do those experienced watchers here think that what we are seeing is a combination of effects outside of the parameters of McLaren's simulation tools, or something else?