Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

[ringo]

There is no aerodynamic advantage to using pullrods at the front on a high nose car. None whatsoever.

In fact, the lower the nose, the better it is for pullrods mechanically.

The pullrod is not advantageous in the front. Completely different situation in the rear of the car, where there are more things to consider like packaging.

I am not sure what you mean by more compact. That cannot be demonstrated in any way. And when you say getting air under the pushrods, it's also something that doesn't make sense to me, seeing as though these are very small objects in the air flow and have very little aero contribution.

[Chene_Mostert]

Very interesting that with the cooling problems Ferrari has, as reported by TED, they still chose to run the car without the additional cooling vents.
Also after 3 days they haven't added any aero appendages yet, just continuing to test setup changes on the base package - very encouraging. Also the flowviz pattern around the sidepod floor looks really good.

The will be very encouraged by the tests session so far, yes they can of course go around in in circles as much as possible like some other teams are doing, racking up mileage but I'm sure they are rather confident in their reliability and would rather learn how the car responds to setup changes. This of course means spending a little more time in the garage, making the changes and analysing the data from the changes.
The SF16-H will be really strong come Melbourne =D>

[smhasan7]

“The first feeling is quite nice. Not the best day overall but I’m sure it will be good. " Kimi told reporters.
“I’m sure it’s going to be a better car -- it’s already a better car than the end of last year so we are doing the right things.”
Raikkonen has struggled with front-end grip since his return to Ferrari in 2014, but says the new car already feels like a step forward in that department, even if some more fine-tuning is required.
“Obviously that’s the aim but I’m already sure the car is better than last year,” he said.
“We have improved in many areas and it’s very early days, especially for me, with the car.
“Yes, there is more front end but it’s not always just the front end, I think we still have to work on the balance but we haven’t changed a single thing on the car yet.
“Now I’m happy so far but there’s still a lot of things to put in the correct places and not just jumping in the car and not doing anything to it.
“It feels pretty OK so we’ll fine tune things.”

[smhasan7]

Don't see drivers complaining too much about the car. They reflect that the car is a genuine step forward from last year.

[OO7]

There is no aerodynamic advantage to using pullrods at the front on a high nose car. None whatsoever.

According to Newey there is an aero advantage, albeit a small one.

[giantfan10]

Don't see drivers complaining too much about the car. They reflect that the car is a genuine step forward from last year.

3 tenths is what Ferrari needed to claw back in race pace from last year and i suspect that the car as it sits right now with 2015 front and rear wings along with diffuser has already surpassed that.
the 2015 Ferrari with its compromised layout and aerodynamics made mercedes make some amateurish mistakes and beat them 3 times. The mercedes fanbase is supremely confident that the 2015 champions with an evolution of the 2015 car will increase the gap to Ferrari...this is based on the fact that the 2016 car is cruising around doing 150+laps per day while the Ferrai has had a few teething problems.
i cant wait to see these cars driven in anger in Melbourne to see what the true pecking order is.

[giantfan10]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb-rVnVW0AQkxtP.jpg:large

still no monkey seat...hmmm wonder why??

[giantfan10]

There is no aerodynamic advantage to using pullrods at the front on a high nose car. None whatsoever.

According to Newey there is an aero advantage, albeit a small one.

agreed.... according to Ferrari there is also a weight saving benefit because the elements on a pull rod need to be stiffened and heavier to be on par with a push rod setup.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

There is no aerodynamic advantage to using pullrods at the front on a high nose car. None whatsoever.

According to Newey there is an aero advantage, albeit a small one.

He also said, it would compromise the suspension geometry and it's a step too far with respect to aero and mechanical balance.

[Rhodium]

I repaired this injustice friend.

[mantikos]

I have collected all the stint times I could and i believe Ferrari is around 2 tenths slower in average than Mercedes in race trim.
This gap could increase up to around half-second in qualifying trim.

Without upgrades Ferrari will get stomped yet again by Mercedes.

Yerp my feeling too.

It seems that the front and the sidepod area of the car are underdeveloped and if they bring all the above they will be on par with Mercedes , even faster than Mercedes on several tracks.

If they adress this issues they will have a chance to fight against Mercedes.
We will see on the 1st of March what upgrades they will bring, until then they are around 0.2 seconds behind Mercedes in race trim.

What else do you see with the CFD program built into your eyes?


Can we please stick to facts and technical topics instead of pulling things out of...where the sun don't shine?

[Aaronque]

Front wing & suspension detail

[Der_Meister45]

forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?

[giantfan10]

forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?

i dont think the air that is directed to the outside of the tire by the front wing and blown wheel nut will re attach itself anywhere on the car.Keep in mind though that we are looking at the 2015 front wing... also Keep in mind that Ferrari is running with no s duct .no monkey seat and no aero device on the floor beneath nose... i think next weeks testing will reveal a much different car

[Der_Meister45]

forgive me for asking what seems to be a simple question with possibly complex answers. But all of the teams seem to be building front wings with out wash from the car, Ferrari and a few other teams add to that with the blown wheel nuts. Is that for that air to wash out completely from the car or for it reattach around the side pods and energize the top of the floor and thus the diffuser?

i dont think the air that is directed to the outside of the tire by the front wing and blown wheel nut will re attach itself anywhere on the car.Keep in mind though that we are looking at the 2015 front wing... also Keep in mind that Ferrari is running with no s duct .no monkey seat and no aero device on the floor beneath nose... i think next weeks testing will reveal a much different car

Thats what I was thinking with the out wash. I still think that even with a new front wing the concept will still be the same. I view the air off of the front wing as dirty air and not the kind of air that you would want to re attach itself further back on the car. With the "S duct" I would think that they are trying to get more clean air under the car and also above the car for the floor to work at its maximum.