Do you want Refueling back?

[beelsebob]

No, for two reasons:
1) It makes races more interesting, you can't tell if someone is faster because they're faster or if they're faster because they're not saving fuel at the moment, this allows for more permutations of what could be going on, and more exciting racing.
2) There were a lot of accidents with fuel fires in the few years before they banned it. The pit lane is unsafe enough already, no reason to make it worse.

[strad]

NO!!!!! and now we should have tires that last the race distance!!!!!

[Tim.Wright]

When refueling was about, drivers didn't try save fuel or anything like that, they drove there hearts out all of the race, which I think made more interesting racing, which meant more battles in the races, as opposed to now which is a driver catches another, other driver saves fuel, waits for DRS, and then gets past and that's it, in the past there was titanic battles as the drivers were driving to the max all of the race, which IMO gave better battles.

what are your opinions on this?

I think you are romanticising the past a bit there.

My memory of the refuelling era was that the racing was much less entertaining and still contained situations with drivers having to save fuel either at the end, or in the middle to try and switch strategy.

I don't know where you got this idea of the drivers driving their hearts out all race either. Nothing could be further from the truth. Racing in the refuelling era was a matter of holding track position and trying to make up positions in the pit-stops.

In short, the racing is infinitely better now. Not neccessarily due to the refuelling ban, but for sure we do not need it back.

Tim

[strad]

Racing in the refuelling era was a matter of holding track position and trying to make up positions in the pit-stops.

Tim

=D> =D>

[N12ck]

I'm sick of many times, how a driver could push and maybe win, but cant as he has to save fuel at the end of a grand prix, which is actually stopping potential battles, which I think it should come back

[strad]

IF you think that is true then you should lobby for bigger tanks,,,but I think it's not tank size but the lads cutting it to the last ounce to try to save weight.

[Jeffsvilleusa]

If I recall, several of the drivers when asked what change they would make to the regs said they would bring back refueling. It doesn't seem dangerous to me- yes there were fires, but they are quickly contained.

When I have seen recordings of old races in the '80s before refueling there is something very anticlimactic about the lead racers retiring from lack of fuel. I think I saw a race where the top 3 or 4 all ran out of fuel- it was kind of sad.

Not that they run out of fuel nowadays, but the endless permutations of fuel-saving etc. just goes over most people's heads.

Oh, I remember why drivers wanted refueling back: because they don't like driving a super-heavy car at the start of races. It changes the set-up to either have to be compromised or negated at some point in the race. Otherwise the cars will be nimble at all times, plus it added a little bit of a guessing game to quali.

[strad]

Oh, I remember why drivers wanted refueling back: because they don't like driving a super-heavy car at the start of races. It changes the set-up to either have to be compromised or negated at some point in the race

OH how horrible...drivers that must be able to adapt and at times drive a car with a set up that isn't perfect...Cry me a river,,,ridiculous..demanding talent from the drivers.

[Jeffsvilleusa]

I could care less if there is refueling or not- I am just giving the driver's angle from what I have read.

I am pretty sure the talented drivers will succeed no matter what the regs, and the less talented ones will do less so.

[beelsebob]

I'm sick of many times, how a driver could push and maybe win, but cant as he has to save fuel at the end of a grand prix, which is actually stopping potential battles, which I think it should come back

It's making as many battles as it's stopping – consider when the driver in front has to fuel save too.

[N12ck]

I'm sick of many times, how a driver could push and maybe win, but cant as he has to save fuel at the end of a grand prix, which is actually stopping potential battles, which I think it should come back

It's making as many battles as it's stopping – consider when the driver in front has to fuel save too.

Racing is not about saving fuel though! Its about racing, pushing cars to the limit, if refueling isn't brought back, there should be a minimum fuel cargo they must carry to stop the save fuel calls in the middle of a race as IMO it ruins racing

[beelsebob]

I'm sick of many times, how a driver could push and maybe win, but cant as he has to save fuel at the end of a grand prix, which is actually stopping potential battles, which I think it should come back

It's making as many battles as it's stopping – consider when the driver in front has to fuel save too.

Racing is not about saving fuel though! Its about racing, pushing cars to the limit

Right, the limits of downforce, the limits of grip, the limits of tyre life, the limits of engine power, the limits of fuel consumption, the limits of... oh wait.

[N12ck]

so make them have fixed fuel amounts, so they dont have to fuel save, as IMO it wrecks a good push to try win (if your in second and you have to fuel save)

[ESPImperium]

Id be happy to have it back, but only under these rules;

1] Refuelling must be done on a stop of its own, no tires to be taken on under refuelling.
2] Refuelling rigs must be simple, so id propose DTM style shoulder tanks that hold 15kg each side, with up to 2 refuelling guys injecting fuel into the car.
3] Refuelling must be done in a stop that takes in effect a 10 second stop go to avoid safety mishaps. Or have refuel inlet that keeps the brakes on till the tanks are taken off.
4] Standardised fuel tanks, or a maximum and minimum size of tank to give the engineers something to think about as well. Say a minimum of 120kg and a maximum of 150kg. But all cars must start at a minimum weight would also be a good idea as well.

I think this would introduce a strategy aspect, it would also mean that cars could push like crazy and pit in to try and then get fuel for the last 10 or so laps and then try to overtake the slower car who may be not taking on fuel. It also brings the cost of hauling around refuelling rigs the world, and also keeps the safety of a fuel rig under control.

I know there are flaws in my proposal, but i feel this is the only way for there to be half way house for refuelling to be in the sport, but also for a way for no refuelling to be in the sport. If it ever comes bad in, there needs to be a way for it to introduce new strategies into the race and make them more interesting and a way for drivers to make positions and also a way for teams to make calls in the race when it could be an advantage later in the race to take on fuel, or to go without.

[beelsebob]

so make them have fixed fuel amounts, so they dont have to fuel save, as IMO it wrecks a good push to try win (if your in second and you have to fuel save)

So a team gets no advantage out of having an efficient design that uses less fuel? Sounds dumb. It also wrecks a good push to try and win (if you're in second and the leader has to fuel save). Note, it's if anything more likely that it will happen this way round - the leader got there somehow - by burning more fuel by any chance?