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They have NO infrsastructure to produce and develop things when Wirth is out.so basically they have the cars ,a workshop and a PR department somewhere in London...The whole thing is worth nothing.? ASs I understand the whole troops are Wirth Research mainly and only the mechanics are John Booths...If they cannot motivate Wirth with money to push forward I fear the season will transform into a even bigger disaster.
The IP rights ? I think Wirth is just delivering the car for money and supplies technicaal support...

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They're in talks for some old infrastructure from other teams afaik.

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Jersey Tom wrote:I don't necessarily think it's going out the window.
's not what I heard :wink:
Engine + rear end tie in with a new supplier for next year, plus technical resources whilst they sort out their own internal development structure on the cards.

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PhillipM wrote:
Jersey Tom wrote:I don't necessarily think it's going out the window.
's not what I heard :wink:
Engine + rear end tie in with a new supplier for next year, plus technical resources whilst they sort out their own internal development structure on the cards.
Sounds like Force India all over again. The team is heading in the right direction and has good financial backing at the moment.
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I think they have taken a look at the next garrage up in the pit lane and seen what is happening at Hispania now. Geoff Willis is getting his design team, tunnel and R&D department together. Even if its from a office just 10 or so minuites walk from Mercedes GP in Brackley, they still have a R&D and Design office in reack more or less instantly to the Tunnel guys.

Wirth Research was about a hours drive away from Manor GP and Virgin Racings PR department is about 2 hours away from both of them. It was a shambles.

Manor GP had their planning application turned down for a new £18m Manor Technology Park in Sheffield rejected at the tail end of last year, this was the first sign of trouble as the current Manor GP site is no bigger than a row of lockups in F1 terms. Hispania have a more plush workshop facility in Germany than what Manor GP have. That site is running a F1 team, a GP3 team and a couple of other formila entries as well.

If Manor GP are capable of the mechanichal side of things, id keep them, but get them to relocate to the Leafeald facility for their F1 side of things, however im sure that would mean that Virgin would have to takeover Formtech?? That would mean they would have all the in house building capasity that they could ever need and want as well as the IP for all the old Arrows chassis as well as the IP for the Super Aguri SA05 and SA06 that at least were within 2 seconds of the lead teams in 2006.

I amj jusn not sure what went wrong for Virgin, their buisness model made sence in theory, practice is much diffrent i must admit.

I think ultimatly they are having a little bit of Professional Green Eyed Monster at Lotus and also looking at Hispania and wondering if soon they will leap them as i think thats not if, its when as they seem to be updating this year, and with the lessons they learnt last year, when the stop for 2011, they can understand quicker what they have and develop race pace quicker this way.

I just hope Pat Symmonds can come up with a car for 2012 that shows that Virgin have the more than just potential and arnt there to make up the numbers.

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It's still better than Jaguar with their wind tunnel in California :P

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Formtech is not asleep at this time..can you get out of your contracts so easy? I´m not sure if that is a viable route to buy the whole lot.

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I would buy the Toyota TF-110 and modify it if I were in control of Virgin.
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TheWiseOwl wrote:
siwillems wrote:Well this is a bit of a shocker. Does this mean the last two seasons of research and development will disappear as well
Virgin's IP will always be Virgin's, Wirth or no Wirth.
IP?

OK, i've answered my own question - intelectual propety
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The toyota is a very competent machine but it comes at a cost.by the looks of things toyota wants to sell not only the cars but use them to get their facility recources booked as well..so maybe the IP is not for sale and you´d have to buy all this in small chunks...

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Why not take on some of the toyota engineers and let them do most of the new car?
The super aguri guys are out there as well.
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A good story about Wirth & Virgin Racing from Badger GP. While the all-CFD approach was an ambitious move, and it perhaps could have been a success, generally it's not wise for a small new team to start doing things differently. First get the basics right, and then perhaps you can start being experimental.

The old Arrows factory in Leafield is currently occupied by Formtech, who IIRC is already doing some stuff for other F1 teams. So i think they have a reasonable infrastructure. There is some ex-F1 people working there? Does anyone know how "good" are they?

About this whole break up thing, i don't quite understand why cut all ties with Wirth Research. Wirth is still a shareholder isn't he? It's obvious that a change was needed, and a new techical director and new design team is a good start. But Wirth Research does have one of the largest CFD facilities in the world (atleast that's what i've read) and that would surely come handy in the future aswell. Is that now gone too?

Besides that, i think that the team has a brighter future ahead. Especially the rumours about a possible technical partnership with McLaren/Mercedes is good news. Force India and Lotus have shown that it's the right way to go for a small team. Wirth still has a couple upgrades coming to the car this year, and hopefully those will enable Glock & d'Ambrosio to fight with the Lotuses. Timo seemed quite inspired after Monaco, where for the first time this year he was actually able to race with the back of the midfield. The lack of downforce doesn't hurt that much in Canada either, so maybe he'll have a good race there aswell.

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to cut all ties with Wirth is possibly showing the trouble they have at this time.does marussia have the money to buy Leafield from Formtech?
What are their assets there anyways? It´s quite an old facility now and even if a lot of former SA staff is still there including Preston as the head of it..this will take a long time and even more money.You cannot tear down the house and start from scratch every other week.
I think this is driven by symmonds who worked with Wirth at Benetton back then and it did not work then either...

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It's been two weeks and counting since wirth and virgin went their seperate ways - does any body have any news yet!!! im going up the wall with the lack of infomation and posting in this thread. Well the lack of info and the fact HRT have jumped virgin.
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