2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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I say put Tsunoda in the AMR. He'd probably finish races that Alonso isn't willing to sit through and give constructive feedback to Honda.

The Alonso haters cannot pretend to be remotely rational. Yes, Aston Martin will trade a top driver for Tsunoda, who finished behind Stroll in the points last year with a championship contending car!

[AR3-GP]

In the meantime, Newey’s former colleague Marko has been speaking to Austrian outlet oe24 and revealed he has spoken to his long-term associate.

“I’ve been in contact with him. He’s not doing well,” Marko said. “There are problems with this project that won’t be solved quickly.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/adrian-ne ... doing-well

[TyreSlip]

With tank full and the car on heavy mod to avoid vibrations. Alonso had decent starts of the race,so the engine even demoted has some power on it. So i would say is not all lost

Alonso starts the race with a full battery, so he is only slightly disadvantaged at the start with a weaker ICE. The problem is what happens after a few corners when the Honda ICE is incapable of recharging like the other engines.

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Honda never learns from their past. It is very worrying...

[TyreSlip]

In the meantime, Newey’s former colleague Marko has been speaking to Austrian outlet oe24 and revealed he has spoken to his long-term associate.

“I’ve been in contact with him. He’s not doing well,” Marko said. “There are problems with this project that won’t be solved quickly.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/adrian-ne ... doing-well

I said it a while back that it was almost hopium that the vibration problems would be resolved any time soon. While Honda is spending its resources trying to fix the vibrations, other engine manufacturers are fine tuning their engines and creating more power. It has an unwanted ripple effect because the vibrations must cause correlation problems with how the behaves aerodynamically, therefore preventing much needed car development. Newey is limited in what he can do.

[BassVirolla]

I say put Tsunoda in the AMR. He'd probably finish races that Alonso isn't willing to sit through and give constructive feedback to Honda.

The Alonso haters cannot pretend to be remotely rational. Yes, Aston Martin will trade a top driver for Tsunoda, who finished behind Stroll in the points last year with a championship contending car!

I'm yet to see a single interview in which an F1 insider or people who worked with him talks badly about his working ethics.

Even more, two points present and past colleagues of Alonso usually bring forward is how he is willing to push the team forward and how valuable is his feedback.

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Why Most F1 Teams Lose Money Every Year Despite $23B Valuations...

https://arthnova.com/f1-teams-lose-mone ... aluations/

The link above is interesting, showing each team's budget, how much they make and lose and how they do it.

Aston Martin will have to spend and operate more like McLaren and Alpine. They can not operate like Mercedes or Ferrari since those teams are automaker owned and generate revenue differently through global auto sales.

The only way for Aston Martin to leap frog those teams is they will have to generate more revenue through investors, sponsors and Honda's engine. If Honda makes improvements and gets the power up they will have an advantage over McLaren and Alpine since those teams are customer teams where as Aston Martin is the official Honda backed team.

Aston Martin tried the whole Mercedes customer agenda, it did not work. It's not working out for McLaren so far this season.

It makes sense what Lawrence Stroll is doing financially in today's F1. Lawrence and how he is running the team at Silverstone is not the problem, it's Honda's slump that's the problem. Adrian Newey was right. Silverstone is waiting for Honda.

I'm personally not expecting anything big for the Japanese GP. I'm waiting for June 7 Monaco, when the compression ratio ban will be in place for all teams and Honda's B-spec engine will be racing.

Profitable Teams ("Money Printers")
These teams benefit from massive sponsorship deals, manufacturer backing, and high placement in the Constructors' Championship.


Mercedes-AMG Petronas: The most profitable team on the grid. In 2024, they reported a record £120 million (approx. $162 million) net profit.

Ferrari: Consistently profitable due to its "historical bonus" and high commercial revenue. They reported an operating profit of approximately $152 million in 2024.

McLaren Racing: A major financial success story, swinging from deep losses a few years ago to a £54.2 million ($73 million) profit in 2024 following their rise to the top of the standings.

Red Bull Racing: While they dominate the track, they report much slimmer margins—roughly $2.27 million in 2024 profit—largely because the racing team is a marketing arm for the larger Red Bull GmbH.

Kick Sauber (Audi) & Haas: Both reported modest operating profits in 2024 (approx. $14 million and $9.6 million respectively) as the budget cap prevents them from overspending their revenue.

Loss-Making Teams ("Money Burners")
These teams are currently in "rebuild" phases, investing heavily in new facilities and staff to move up the grid.

Aston Martin Aramco: Despite its high valuation, the team reported a loss of £45.8 million ($61 million) in 2024. This marks five consecutive years of losses as owner Lawrence Stroll pours capital into a new factory and wind tunnel.

Williams Racing: Reported a loss of £49.9 million ($67 million) in 2024. The owners, Dorilton Capital, are intentionally "burning" cash to modernize the team's aging infrastructure.

Alpine (Renault): After years of stability, Alpine reported a £14.6 million ($19.7 million) loss in 2024, attributed to rising administrative costs and a dip in on-track performance.

In order for Aston Martin to start making a profit they are now relying on Honda. They have the team, wind tunnel etc all set in the UK, now it's time for Honda to bring the updates to move up the standings since independent teams that are not owned by automakers are heavily dependent on revenue in the Constructors Championship.

As long as Aston Martin is independently owned they will not generate the same revenue as Mercedes or Ferrari in the same way. They are held hostage by Honda's performance.

What will McLaren's profit or loss margin be after the 2026 season if they falter and are 3rd or 4th or 5th in the constructors title ? McLaren is in a similar position now that they are struggling as a customer team and are dependent on Mercedes. They might not be getting the same engines as the factory Petronas team or, at least not receiving the same data from the factory team.

Of course none of this "Profit reporting" has anything to do with, if you report a profit, you have to pay taxes on it. That the more established teams have less they can invest in and therefore less to write off? That maybe they give AM F1 GP such a high evaluation cause they know the losses aren't real. That they're using money(losses) to increase the value in the team rather that pay taxes. Cause values of businesses going bankrupt usually go up in value right?

[Badger]

Of course none of this "Profit reporting" has anything to do with, if you report a profit, you have to pay taxes on it. That the more established teams have less they can invest in and therefore less to write off? That maybe they give AM F1 GP such a high evaluation cause they know the losses aren't real. That they're using money(losses) to increase the value in the team rather that pay taxes. Cause values of businesses going bankrupt usually go up in value right?

Stroll has given himself a higher valuation by doing deals with himself. The real valuation of AMR is of course considerably lower than the top teams. But due to the popularity of F1 the valuation is still high, likely in the billions even without operational profitability. The grid slot, the facilities, the free marketing for the brand, it all adds considerable value that doesn't show up on an income statement for AMR F1.

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Of course none of this "Profit reporting" has anything to do with, if you report a profit, you have to pay taxes on it. That the more established teams have less they can invest in and therefore less to write off? That maybe they give AM F1 GP such a high evaluation cause they know the losses aren't real. That they're using money(losses) to increase the value in the team rather that pay taxes. Cause values of businesses going bankrupt usually go up in value right?

Stroll has given himself a higher valuation by doing deals with himself. The real valuation of AMR is of course considerably lower than the top teams. But due to the popularity of F1 the valuation is still high, likely in the billions even without operational profitability. The grid slot, the facilities, the free marketing for the brand, it all adds considerable value that doesn't show up on an income statement for AMR F1.

Teams don't do their own valuations, they are done by 3ird party Firms like Forbes or Sportico typically calculate them using variations of standard business valuation methods adapted to F1.

Forbes
Regularly publishes F1 team values
Valued Aston Martin at ~$3.2B in 2025
Sportico
Another major sports finance outlet
Produces annual F1 valuation rankings (Aston typically ~$3B range depending on year)


Money talks, bullshiit walks

I’m no financial expert, but I know enough to understand that you can’t judge how well a team is doing financially just by looking at its profit and loss.

[Badger]

Of course none of this "Profit reporting" has anything to do with, if you report a profit, you have to pay taxes on it. That the more established teams have less they can invest in and therefore less to write off? That maybe they give AM F1 GP such a high evaluation cause they know the losses aren't real. That they're using money(losses) to increase the value in the team rather that pay taxes. Cause values of businesses going bankrupt usually go up in value right?

Stroll has given himself a higher valuation by doing deals with himself. The real valuation of AMR is of course considerably lower than the top teams. But due to the popularity of F1 the valuation is still high, likely in the billions even without operational profitability. The grid slot, the facilities, the free marketing for the brand, it all adds considerable value that doesn't show up on an income statement for AMR F1.

Teams don't do their own valuations, they are done by 3ird party Firms like Forbes or Sportico typically calculate them using variations of standard business valuation methods adapted to F1.

Forbes
Regularly publishes F1 team values
Valued Aston Martin at ~$3.2B in 2025
Sportico
Another major sports finance outlet
Produces annual F1 valuation rankings (Aston typically ~$3B range depending on year)


Money talks, bullshiit walks

I’m no financial expert, but I know enough to understand that you can’t judge how well a team is doing financially just by looking at its profit and loss.

Team valuations are most certainly NOT set by publications like Forbes. The only way you are going to get a true valuation in a private company is when shares are sold. So where did Forbes get that $3.2B number from? They got it from the fact that 4,6% of AMR was sold for $147 million in 2025, placing the valuation at $3.2B. Who was involved in that transaction? Well the AMR shares were sold by Aston Martin Lagonda to Yew Tree consortium, all those names should be familiar to you since Lawrence Stroll leads all three. AML needed a cash injection because the business was/is doing poorly, so he sold off one of its assets (4,6% in the F1 team) for an inflated valuation. This had a dual benefit, it increased the liquidity injection into AML and it simultaneously pumped up the perceived valuation of AMR.

So you said "teams don't do their own valuations", well in this case they very much did. Stroll did a deal with himself.

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Stroll has given himself a higher valuation by doing deals with himself. The real valuation of AMR is of course considerably lower than the top teams. But due to the popularity of F1 the valuation is still high, likely in the billions even without operational profitability. The grid slot, the facilities, the free marketing for the brand, it all adds considerable value that doesn't show up on an income statement for AMR F1.

Teams don't do their own valuations, they are done by 3ird party Firms like Forbes or Sportico typically calculate them using variations of standard business valuation methods adapted to F1.

Forbes
Regularly publishes F1 team values
Valued Aston Martin at ~$3.2B in 2025
Sportico
Another major sports finance outlet
Produces annual F1 valuation rankings (Aston typically ~$3B range depending on year)


Money talks, bullshiit walks

I’m no financial expert, but I know enough to understand that you can’t judge how well a team is doing financially just by looking at its profit and loss.

Team valuations are most certainly NOT set by publications like Forbes. The only way you are going to get a true valuation in a private company is when shares are sold. So where did Forbes get that $3.2B number from? They got it from the fact that 4,6% of AMR was sold for $147 million in 2025, placing the valuation at $3.2B. Who was involved in that transaction? Well the AMR shares were sold by Aston Martin Lagonda to Yew Tree consortium, all those names should be familiar to you since Lawrence Stroll leads all three. AML needed a cash injection because the business was/is doing poorly, so he sold off one of its assets (4,6% in the F1 team) for an inflated valuation. This had a dual benefit, it increased the liquidity injection into AML and it simultaneously pumped up the perceived valuation of AMR.

So you said "teams don't do their own valuations", well in this case they very much did. Stroll did a deal with himself.

I'm not gonna go down the route that you know better than Forbes Sportico or that you believe that Yew Tree Investments fraudulently overplayed $147M for an extra 4.6% stake in the Aston Martin F1 team.

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Team valuations are most certainly NOT set by publications like Forbes. The only way you are going to get a true valuation in a private company is when shares are sold. So where did Forbes get that $3.2B number from? They got it from the fact that 4,6% of AMR was sold for $147 million in 2025, placing the valuation at $3.2B. Who was involved in that transaction? Well the AMR shares were sold by Aston Martin Lagonda to Yew Tree consortium, all those names should be familiar to you since Lawrence Stroll leads all three. AML needed a cash injection because the business was/is doing poorly, so he sold off one of its assets (4,6% in the F1 team) for an inflated valuation. This had a dual benefit, it increased the liquidity injection into AML and it simultaneously pumped up the perceived valuation of AMR.

So you said "teams don't do their own valuations", well in this case they very much did. Stroll did a deal with himself.

I'm not gonna go down the route that you know better than Forbes Sportico or that you believe that Yew Tree Investments fraudulently overplayed $147M for an extra 4.6% stake in the Aston Martin F1 team.

A few posts ago you were suggesting that AMR was reporting false losses to avoid paying taxes, now you are doubtful that Lawrence could inflate the value of his own company in a deal with himself?

I'm just informing you where those numbers are coming from, it's not up to debate whether they are real or not. Forbes didn't come up with their own valuation, they used Stroll's.

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Speaking ahead of this weekend’s Japanese GP, Honda Chief Engineer Shintaro Orihara admitted investigations are still ongoing:

“In China, we made some progress in terms of battery reliability thanks to a reduction in the vibration affecting the systems.

“But we must find more solutions to establish the cause of the vibrations affecting the drivers.

“We have also focused our efforts in the gap between China and Japan to continue to improve our reliability. But still our performance is not where we want it to be, especially regarding energy management.

“Suzuka Circuit is a tough track for this, so we have been using the learnings from Australia and China to prepare better for the Japanese Grand Prix.

“We are not at the level where we wanted to be going into this weekend. But we will keep working hard to maximise our package.

“We are looking forward to seeing the home crowd and the Honda fans. I want them to see that we have made some progress since Bahrain.”

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... ibrations/

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Team valuations are most certainly NOT set by publications like Forbes. The only way you are going to get a true valuation in a private company is when shares are sold. So where did Forbes get that $3.2B number from? They got it from the fact that 4,6% of AMR was sold for $147 million in 2025, placing the valuation at $3.2B. Who was involved in that transaction? Well the AMR shares were sold by Aston Martin Lagonda to Yew Tree consortium, all those names should be familiar to you since Lawrence Stroll leads all three. AML needed a cash injection because the business was/is doing poorly, so he sold off one of its assets (4,6% in the F1 team) for an inflated valuation. This had a dual benefit, it increased the liquidity injection into AML and it simultaneously pumped up the perceived valuation of AMR.

So you said "teams don't do their own valuations", well in this case they very much did. Stroll did a deal with himself.

I'm not gonna go down the route that you know better than Forbes Sportico or that you believe that Yew Tree Investments fraudulently overplayed $147M for an extra 4.6% stake in the Aston Martin F1 team.

A few posts ago you were suggesting that AMR was reporting false losses to avoid paying taxes, now you are doubtful that Lawrence could inflate the value of his own company in a deal with himself?

I'm just informing you where those numbers are coming from, it's not up to debate whether they are real or not. Forbes didn't come up with their own valuation, they used Stroll's.

That's not what I said. I said they were reinvesting money in the team by buying equipment, hardware, buildings, etc that they then can write off. That "write off" would make it appear (if you looking just at profit and losses) that they're losing money but their assets are going up in value. If you borrow $400 Million to build 3 building, you can then expense that over the next 10 years or so . Whatever you're paying there, from a year to year basis, some portion or all of it come off your profits. Again, I'm not an accounting expert.


You make it sounds like Lawrence Stroll is a mobster and he's cheating his way into 3.2B evaluation. You know he's run reputable businesses for decades. I'm sure if there is a loop hole, he'll use it but he's no a fraudster.

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I'm not gonna go down the route that you know better than Forbes Sportico or that you believe that Yew Tree Investments fraudulently overplayed $147M for an extra 4.6% stake in the Aston Martin F1 team.

A few posts ago you were suggesting that AMR was reporting false losses to avoid paying taxes, now you are doubtful that Lawrence could inflate the value of his own company in a deal with himself?

I'm just informing you where those numbers are coming from, it's not up to debate whether they are real or not. Forbes didn't come up with their own valuation, they used Stroll's.

That's not what I said. I said they were reinvesting money in the team by buying equipment, hardware, buildings, etc that they then can write off. That "write off" would make it appear (if you looking just at profit and losses) that they're losing money but their assets are going up in value. If you borrow $400 Million to build 3 building, you can then expense that over the next 10 years or so . Whatever you're paying there, from a year to year basis, some portion or all of it come off your profits.

All teams have depreciating assets, it doesn't explain $60m in losses.

The real reason AMR is losing money is because they are investing a lot whilst having a turnover that is only around 50-60% of the big teams.