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So only the Manors weren't able to get in an extra lap. The other teams lost out because of sheer incompetence. They had the time.

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Henk wrote:
Moose wrote:I don't understand why people are saying Q1 and 2 were good. Could they not manage to do the maths in their head and observe that none of the cars could actually have their time count or something?
The main problem in Q1 was incompetence by the teams. A couple of teams went out 10 seconds too late. In Q2 there was a couple of minutes in the middle that were really exiting. I thought it showed potential and would like to see a better version going forward.
It wasn't incompetence, there simply wasn't time to get the car refuelled and out again. If they were having a problem at a short track like this, imagine what would happen at tracks like Spa! And what happens if you get called the the weigh bridge?

Think about it. Out Lap + Timed Lap + In Lap + Refuel time + Out Lap...

Button also mentioned they lost more time in the pits because other cars ahead were parked across their pit entry.

The other issue was tyres, they simply didn't have enough of them. You could give the teams more tyres for qualifying, but the next problem will probably be engine and gearbox milage. It's like in the race, drivers can't always push because they need to save tyres/fuel/engine. The whole formula is currently about doing the minimum amount of running possible. No change to the qualifying system is going to fix that.

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Henk wrote:So only the Manors weren't able to get in an extra lap. The other teams lost out because of sheer incompetence. They had the time.
I disagree. That extra 90 seconds has no allowance for teams to turn the car around and fight back. It just isn't worth it to fuel for multiple laps as the car will only be slower anyway and you won't stand a chance. That is why the teams only ran one lap and gave up. The rules are rubbish and that's why it was thrown out.
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The biggest problem was that there weren't really any battles in qualifying. They all did one lap at the start of the session and then sat in the pits. No comebacks, no second round, nothing. A good indication of just how stupid the people running this show really are.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Henk wrote:So only the Manors weren't able to get in an extra lap. The other teams lost out because of sheer incompetence. They had the time.
I disagree. That extra 90 seconds has no allowance for teams to turn the car around and fight back. It just isn't worth it to fuel for multiple laps as the car will only be slower anyway and you won't stand a chance. That is why the teams only ran one lap and gave up. The rules are rubbish and that's why it was thrown out.
Guitierez was 10 seconds late to the finish and possibly too late because of a miscalculation. Grosjean went out 90 seconds later and also didn't make it to the finish in time. The Saubers maybe didn't pit early enough to get a second run which was also a mistake.

Someone said you need 9 minutes to do 2 qualifying sequences. So you have 7 minutes at the start of Q1 and then 1 Manor for 90 seconds and your own 90 seconds. That is 10 minutes for Guitierez and 11.5 minutes for Grosjean. Nasr should have pitted earlier.

I have said that I think it's silly to let the manors go out by counting down. Just drop them at the same time. They could also extend the time for Guitierez a bit. I think this format could be better than the previous (and future) format by just adjusting the cut off times.

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While it is a moot point now that we are going back to the old way of doing qualifying...

How about closing the pitlane and an immediate 3 place penalty for any team that violates that except those that are pulled in if they were the slowest car?

How about not allowing the final runner to complete his lap if the timer runs out?

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ChrisDanger wrote:I think what they're trying to do is make that end-of-session excitement last for the elimination period, i.e. for longer albeit to a slighty lesser degree.

What I find sad is that most people are being so negative towards this idea (without having experienced the reality of the change), to such an extent that when someone has a positive outlook people assume he's being sarcastic. #-o
How dumb do you feel right now? Please, come out and enlighten us how this s***fest was an improvement in any possible way.
I don't feel dumb at all, thanks for your concern. Also I never claimed the new format would be an improvement; I only complained about the negativity of the comments in the thread, as the effect of the proposed changes didn't seem so clear cut to me, and I was interested to see how it all turned out. I actually thought Q1 and Q2 were interesting, with a few teams getting caught out and where the sessions seemed engaging enough. Q3 was a total disaster though, and so now we're going back to the old format. Seems like a storm in a teacup to me. Bernie must be overjoyed at the media attention.

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[quote"It's incumbent on people to be positive rather than negative about formula one." - Murray Walker, 03/2016][/quote]
Interesting quote to use. From a guy that wrote a book about how often he's been wrong. :lol:
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Interesting brief round up of the qualifying flop here...

http://dmanf1.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/if ... alian.html

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ChrisDanger wrote: I only complained about the negativity of the comments in the thread, as the effect of the proposed changes didn't seem so clear cut to me, and I was interested to see how it all turned out.
Even Stevie Wonder could have seen how this would turn out. There was no doubt in my mind at any time before Q1 in Oz that this would bomb and backfire, just from the sheer stupidity of a 90 second cutoff and not being able to improve your time as the mark passed. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

What boggles the mind is what on earth were the people responsible for this smoking and/or snorting at the time? Must have some seriously strong stuff.
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Yep,, you always got to finish your lap..the whole thing was doomed to failure
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Italiano wrote:
ChrisDanger wrote: I only complained about the negativity of the comments in the thread, as the effect of the proposed changes didn't seem so clear cut to me, and I was interested to see how it all turned out.
Even Stevie Wonder could have seen how this would turn out. There was no doubt in my mind at any time before Q1 in Oz that this would bomb and backfire, just from the sheer stupidity of a 90 second cutoff and not being able to improve your time as the mark passed. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

What boggles the mind is what on earth were the people responsible for this smoking and/or snorting at the time? Must have some seriously strong stuff.
I understand it wasn't just FIA/FOM who stamped this off, Christian Horner said it had universal agreement from drivers. This is the sort of universal agreement that has given us the shambles of the 2017 rules.

Wouldn't it be ironic if we have a cracking season on those big front wings of 2017 give us a crap season next year?

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Oh for goodness sake.. #-o

F1 now evaluating elimination qualifying tweaks for Bahrain

Potential U-turn on the U-turn
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-no ... in-681873/

I don't even bother reading the full article. It's not worth it. 2 days from now they'll probably change it again, like everything else. F1 is an absolute and utter mess management-wise right now. ](*,)

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Seriously, what's wrong with these people?